tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post6599899728823374380..comments2024-03-22T12:57:57.273-05:00Comments on WOUNDED BIRD: WHAT IS AMIE UP TO?June Butlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-87341375454531890742013-02-20T20:33:49.222-06:002013-02-20T20:33:49.222-06:00No, not happy. You're spot on, Marthe. Extrem...No, not happy. You're spot on, Marthe. Extremists of all stripes have a good deal in common.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-2989010427345137212013-02-20T20:28:19.568-06:002013-02-20T20:28:19.568-06:00Big, but probably not happy ... this strategy remi...Big, but probably not happy ... this strategy reminds me of the political fanatics known as the Tea Party pretty much taking over the GOP ... there is a social theory that the most committed, even if in the minority, can get their own way nine out of ten times simply by being insistent, loud, and unwilling to compromise (thus being considered 'pure' and therefor admired)... sense and reasonableness can disappear when 'devotion" is perceived to matter more than any other quality. If C or E, or any other organization, is weak and unable to clearly define its position vis a vis the splinter faction, the splinter wins.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-60261343670646112232013-02-20T20:06:39.962-06:002013-02-20T20:06:39.962-06:00The Little Lord? Yes, I love it.The Little Lord? Yes, I love it.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-7736267940167220642013-02-20T19:57:42.667-06:002013-02-20T19:57:42.667-06:00Don't you love that avatar?Don't you love that avatar?Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-45977418517784065382013-02-20T19:56:51.013-06:002013-02-20T19:56:51.013-06:00This comment has been removed by the author.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-36392777536576047082013-02-20T18:15:07.411-06:002013-02-20T18:15:07.411-06:00I guess pretty soon, they'll all be one big ha...I guess pretty soon, they'll all be one big happy family. June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-66124229991205535762013-02-20T18:13:34.622-06:002013-02-20T18:13:34.622-06:00Your cover is blown, Roger.Your cover is blown, Roger.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-37956145332473652972013-02-20T17:31:41.540-06:002013-02-20T17:31:41.540-06:00[Not sure how I come to be using this account. Ba...[Not sure how I come to be using this account. Back to the drawing-board.]Roger Mortimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05851667502861778031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-89953540827350052732013-02-20T17:30:34.120-06:002013-02-20T17:30:34.120-06:00Only been a matter of time since a priest stripped...Only been a matter of time since a priest stripped by Bishop Butler of his license to officiate in the diocese of Southwark for organizing <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1502179/Evangelicals-defy-bishop-by-holding-irregular-ordinations.html" rel="nofollow">the unauthorized, irregular ordination</a> of three individuals by a bishop of a church not in communion with the C of E, was <a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1520420/Williams-reinstates-cleric-in-gay-dispute.html" rel="nofollow">reinstated by Rowan Williams</a> on the recommendation of Michael Scott-Joynt, then bishop of Winchester. There will be more to come.Roger Mortimerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05851667502861778031noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-26705720531167148682013-02-20T16:56:32.324-06:002013-02-20T16:56:32.324-06:00James, I did not know about the church in Sheffeil...James, I did not know about the church in Sheffeild. Back in 1985, I was still part of the Roman Catholic Church, and stories about child abuse in the RC Diocese of Lafayette were just beginning to leak out. Of course, we were told that these abuses were isolated incidents. June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-27212964716545800342013-02-20T16:50:51.325-06:002013-02-20T16:50:51.325-06:00Tobias, I think you're right that entryism wou...Tobias, I think you're right that entryism would not be effective in a TEC takeover, but it's possible the strategy was used in some of the dioceses in TEC, those whose members subsequently decided to take their leave from the church.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-48389672456530777712013-02-20T16:33:31.082-06:002013-02-20T16:33:31.082-06:00You are of course aware of the saga at the back of...You are of course aware of the saga at the back of all this - a similar attempt to create a church of England church that wasn't C of E, in Sheffield, way back in the late 1980s?<br /><br />Check out the Wikipedia entry at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nine_O%27Clock_Service...Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09194881271051758232noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-45607555254312543952013-02-20T15:40:54.326-06:002013-02-20T15:40:54.326-06:00I think Adrian is correct about the entryist strat...I think Adrian is correct about the entryist strategy in England -- where the Anglican Evangelicals are both stronger and more extreme than in the US. (How many TEC types would openly oppose the ordination of women on the basis of "male headship"? -- When I mentioned this at a recent retreat for Episcopal college students they were amazed -- they'd never even heard of the concept. I noted it's right there in St Paul...)<br /><br />Entryism is the strategy in England because of the establishment. In the US, these groups know that taking over TEC is impossible, and so the strategy is supersession --- they want to displace TEC altogether.<br /><br />Frankly I don't think either effort will be successful, though the splinter groups in England will become indistinguishable from the rightmost portion of American evangelicalism.Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-16241694432692299552013-02-20T15:32:30.138-06:002013-02-20T15:32:30.138-06:00Writing the post made my head ache, Lois. When Ro...Writing the post made my head ache, Lois. When Rowan was being polite to the breakaways in the US, I wrote that England's time would come, and, indeed, it has. Why would the schismatics stop with the Americas, without having a go at the Canterbury crown jewel? Justin Welby has his work cut out for him. June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-46002094383845193182013-02-20T15:24:10.515-06:002013-02-20T15:24:10.515-06:00Oh my God - now that's Orwellian not to mentio...Oh my God - now that's Orwellian not to mention labyrinthine. Makes my head ache.Lois Keenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13708877817422097051noreply@blogger.com