tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post8041115194205114093..comments2024-03-22T12:57:57.273-05:00Comments on WOUNDED BIRD: Failure To Condemn Violence "Disgraceful"June Butlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-61225325018741230852008-06-28T14:22:00.000-05:002008-06-28T14:22:00.000-05:00Paul, the "sins" of the Episcopal Church and the A...Paul, the "sins" of the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church of Canada seem small in comparison.<BR/><BR/>Fr Heron, I tried to read the letter, but - alas! - it's available to subscribers only. Thanks for your précis. I knew that, but it's interesting to see it laid out. Don't ask, don't tell - like the stupid US military policy<BR/><BR/>Tobias, thanks. I had not worked out the reason for the use of John for the Lambeth Bible study.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-55859960506370065772008-06-27T14:01:00.000-05:002008-06-27T14:01:00.000-05:00Real evangelicals rejoice in the abundant grace of...Real evangelicals rejoice in the abundant grace of Christ, and don't worry about who's in and who's out. I've known a few CA folks in my day, and all of them were real evangelicals. Any evangelical who says someone else is damned is preaching a false gospel and will be judged by exactly the same standard he or she applies. The good news is that we are saved by Christ, not our own works -- and that includes works of repentance (about which the entire Gospel of John is silent -- in case you wonder why it forms the substance of the Lambeth bible study...)Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-49122719206033295922008-06-27T13:53:00.000-05:002008-06-27T13:53:00.000-05:00Fr Ken Leech has a letter in today's Church Times ...Fr Ken Leech has a letter in today's Church Times (LONDON) in which he asserts that hundreds of same-sex blessing have taken place in the Church of England for years.<BR/>Rowan Williams has had a three-fold approach to gay clergy :<BR/>1 to encourage concealment<BR/>2 to reward successful concealment with promotion<BR/>3 to abandon to the "gutter press" those who did not manage such concealment.<BR/>As Fr Leech says: So much for "The Truth will set you free"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-43496804661719470022008-06-27T12:18:00.000-05:002008-06-27T12:18:00.000-05:00Mimi, your title says it all. This should be the k...Mimi, your title says it all. This should be the key issue at Lambeth. It is Akinola who belongs in the dock.Rev Paul Martinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05294221174324852637noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-30194265802744789492008-06-27T03:09:00.000-05:002008-06-27T03:09:00.000-05:00You don't have to listen to others when you are ri...You don't have to listen to others when you are right.Doorman-Priesthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06407399232593479871noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-86564878168249878902008-06-27T00:22:00.000-05:002008-06-27T00:22:00.000-05:00I see what you mean. A bit trying, I agree.Mind yo...I see what you mean. A bit trying, I agree.<BR/><BR/>Mind you, I've been called a Nazi a few times, too (at least by association)...Tim Chestertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13676859074652475474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-88305841785584634112008-06-26T23:02:00.000-05:002008-06-26T23:02:00.000-05:00Hear! Hear!Tim, I never thought all evangelicals ...Hear! Hear!<BR/><BR/>Tim, I never thought all evangelicals were evil. I've found it easy to talk to you even about the issues we may disagree on, but take a look at this discussion at <A HREF="http://theworldofdoorman-priest.blogspot.com/2008/06/face-to-faith.html" REL="nofollow">Doorman-Priest's blog</A>, and you can see why I get exasperated with evangelicals at times. It's hard to have a civil discussion with someone tells you that you are damned to hell. I dropped out of the discussion, because I was getting too angry.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-24809398393756911212008-06-26T22:28:00.000-05:002008-06-26T22:28:00.000-05:00I've been a member of the Church Army in Canada si...I've been a member of the Church Army in Canada since 1978 - I served as a lay minister with them for 12 years before my ordination - and I was surprised, and pleased, to see Mark Russell speaking out like this. Lapin is right - CA has a strong Evangelical bent. But I know Mark isn't alone in his views. Frankly, as an evangelical myself, I'm disgusted - and embarrassed - that people who call themselves evangelicals would refuse to condemn violence against gays and lesbians. Perhaps if more people like Mark would speak out, others might begin to see that all evangelicals aren't evil.Tim Chestertonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13676859074652475474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-8521398306020403382008-06-26T22:05:00.000-05:002008-06-26T22:05:00.000-05:00I may disagree with Mark Russell about nearly ever...I may disagree with Mark Russell about nearly everything--I think it likely--but I have no problem with him or his witness to the Gospel.johniebhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11635403219973766022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-59485682172938841412008-06-26T21:09:00.000-05:002008-06-26T21:09:00.000-05:00Thank you for posting this. Good for Mark Russell....Thank you for posting this. Good for Mark Russell. I'll follow that link now. Thanks.Janhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08061517211101084120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-90557613140042794352008-06-26T19:17:00.000-05:002008-06-26T19:17:00.000-05:00Bishop Nazir-Ali, of Rochester in the UK, will not...<A HREF="http://www.episcopalchurch.org/78650_98261_ENG_HTM.htm" REL="nofollow">Bishop Nazir-Ali</A>, of Rochester in the UK, will not attend Lambeth. And then, of course, there was the uproar over the blessing of a same-sex couple's civil ceremony at <A HREF="http://www.episcopalchurch.org/81808_97842_ENG_HTM.htm" REL="nofollow">St. Bartholomew the Great</A> in London by the Rev. Martin Dudley. Troubles here, troubles there, troubles everywhere for the ABC.<BR/><BR/>Lapin, you're right. The younger generations coming up are not nearly as focused on sexual orientation as their elders.<BR/><BR/>I can't possibly keep track of all of MadPriest's <I>bêtes noirs</I>.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-5385332428762089682008-06-26T17:51:00.000-05:002008-06-26T17:51:00.000-05:00The Church Army had a strongly Evangelical bent in...The Church Army had a strongly Evangelical bent in the past. Apparently it still does. Strikes me as significant that a head of the organization from an age group not brought up to demonize homosexuality would react in this manner. Among other things he will have seen the havoc wrought in the lives of teenagers thrown on the streets by parents who rejected them.<BR/><BR/>Damian Thompson, the "Telegraph's" conservative gadfly RC columnist (conservative, informative and often very funny) is predicting that at least one C of E bishop will head for Rome in the near future.<BR/><BR/>From earlier Thompson posts I believe he may be referring to Andrew Burnham, Bishop of Ebbsfleet, one of the two C of E "flying bishops" ministering to opponents of female ordination. Burnham, you may recall, is a bête noir of MP's.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-61951011829484588142008-06-26T17:02:00.000-05:002008-06-26T17:02:00.000-05:00Why didn't the Archbishop of Canterbury tell Akino...Why didn't the Archbishop of Canterbury tell Akinola this a long time ago? Now the ABC is having to tend to his own garden, with rebellion in the ranks and hierarchy on both sides. Perhaps, he'll stop pointing his finger at the Episcopal Church and the Anglican Church of Canada for a spell.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-75034001148517357362008-06-26T16:13:00.000-05:002008-06-26T16:13:00.000-05:00I've written about this before (somewhere in the a...I've written about this before (somewhere in the archives), but given conditions in Nigeria (dreadful, in a word) I've always wondered why Akinola was so worked up about gay bishops, or gays in general.<BR/><BR/>Obviously, to distract attention, I figured. Why the rest of the church isn't telling him to tend his own garden, which is in such disarray, is beyond me.Rmjhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06811456254443706479noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-37571158121717470602008-06-26T16:08:00.000-05:002008-06-26T16:08:00.000-05:00Bravo.Bravo.Ruth Hull Chatlienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08797146501548509911noreply@blogger.com