tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post2992758884739858207..comments2024-03-22T12:57:57.273-05:00Comments on WOUNDED BIRD: “Who Can Adopt This Covenant?”June Butlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-63641861161816350942009-09-08T18:31:45.359-05:002009-09-08T18:31:45.359-05:00Mark, very good. You should take up writing lyric...Mark, very good. You should take up writing lyrics.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-7164973968857340432009-09-07T00:24:38.931-05:002009-09-07T00:24:38.931-05:00Tom Wright to Rowan Williams,
I've reached th...Tom Wright to Rowan Williams,<br /><br />I've reached the top,<br />And had to stop,<br />And that's what's botherin' me!<br /><br />Oooooh, <br />Hoo-hoo-hoo!<br />Wanna be like you-hoo-hoo!<br /><br />With Most Vicious and Unrequited Love,<br /><br />Tommy DunelmMarkBrunsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16971990948866488080noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-67787948523736024902009-09-05T19:51:38.200-05:002009-09-05T19:51:38.200-05:00Although I may not have succeeded, I was striving ...Although I may not have succeeded, I was striving for irony with "their seriousness".June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-25082433798741811612009-09-05T19:37:31.505-05:002009-09-05T19:37:31.505-05:00Re "their seriousness". Might "sel...Re "their seriousness". Might "self-importance" be the term you were looking for?Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-39809503603394142742009-09-05T19:23:33.210-05:002009-09-05T19:23:33.210-05:00The "teaching of the Communion" part of ...The "teaching of the Communion" part of the statement is where my mind drifts off and won't come back to what I'm reading. The group seems to believe that a multiplicity of words demonstrates their seriousness.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-50033823315514697782009-09-05T15:51:35.935-05:002009-09-05T15:51:35.935-05:00More of the same... : if your only tool is a hamme...More of the same... : if your only tool is a hammer everything looks like a nail. The ACI see the Covenant as exactly one thing -- and mostly about one thing. The talk about it as if it were already adopted. And go on an on about the "teaching of the Communion" which is also just the latest version of the Big Lie.<br /><br />They must be called out on this every time, sadly...Tobias Stanislas Haller BSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08047429477181560685noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-3901854409084556772009-09-05T12:31:40.680-05:002009-09-05T12:31:40.680-05:00Lapin, it was of interest. In fact, I read far pa...Lapin, it was of interest. In fact, I read far past Martin Reynolds' story into Gene Robinson's story. How nice that we get to read a good chunk of Stephen Bates' book free online. <br /><br />Bates gave up reporting on religion for the Guardian because his reporting turned him into an agnostic. No surprise there.<br /><br /><i>What rankled most was the hypocrisy, the fact that the Bible's scattered and random words on homosexuality were uncontestable for all time and yet, somehow, divorce – which Jesus himself appears from the Gospels to have condemned – was somehow only a minor and changeable transgression.</i><br /><br />From his last column on religion. Jesus didn't care for hypocrisy either.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-79114748871461379542009-09-05T11:51:39.230-05:002009-09-05T11:51:39.230-05:00Having referred to Martin Reynolds, the Welsh prie...Having referred to Martin Reynolds, the Welsh priest who, with his partner, adopted a disadvantaged child, and was a close neighbour of Williams' when W was bishop of Monmouth, this piece on him from <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=uUH-KjLLzX0C&pg=PA61&lpg=PA61&dq=%22martin+reynolds%22+anglican&source=bl&ots=NzkscNePHH&sig=dEVNB9I8idQon9J6o9Sl9US-SHs&hl=en&ei=w5SiSsCaLNmwtgfPprn9Dw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7#v=onepage&q=&f=false" rel="nofollow">A Church at War - Anglicans and Homosexuality</a> may be of interest.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-3127555948489025062009-09-05T11:44:56.085-05:002009-09-05T11:44:56.085-05:00Lapin, I remember that now you mention it. The qu...Lapin, I remember that now you mention it. The question remains.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-52374262128819006622009-09-05T11:39:13.259-05:002009-09-05T11:39:13.259-05:00Mimi, on July 31st Martin Reynolds posted at Think...Mimi, on July 31st Martin Reynolds posted at <a href="http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:datFgYET47sJ:www.thinkinganglicans.org.uk/archives/003926.html+%22thinking+anglicans%22+%22Rowan+williams%22+carey+%22Tom+Wright%22&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">Thinking Anglicans</a> that <br /><br /><i>Blessed Tom was Rowan's first appointment to the bench - in those somewhat less fraught days I challenged him at dinner over this extraordinary appointment.<br /><br />I said that it was highly significant Carey had NOT given Wright a big hat and that Wright was a big mouth and something of a bully - Rowan prickled, and after pointing out he had not taken an oath of canonical obedience to me, opined that Wright was "someone I can work with".</i><br /><br />So was Rowan right, or was he wrong? Is Tom Wright still "someone [he] can work with"?Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-14532864540518049382009-09-05T11:25:12.479-05:002009-09-05T11:25:12.479-05:00I did like Pluralist's piece. He does such goo...I did like Pluralist's piece. He does such good satire. If only there were a "Head" to reign those boys in.motherameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11381575553733390018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-25237923107351254912009-09-05T11:14:27.181-05:002009-09-05T11:14:27.181-05:00Mark, in a word, yes. Why does Bp. Wright ally hi...Mark, in a word, yes. Why does Bp. Wright ally himself with folks of such low credibility?<br /><br />Your puppy story is hilarious. I hope he didn't get a bad case of gas.<br /><br />What is at play in the Church of England? Is Wright in open rebellion against Rowan, or does he have his tacit approval, or something in the middle?<br /><br />Amelia, I cannot concentrate on the piece. My mind drifts away. Did you read Pluralist's satire? It's quite satisfying. The names for the cast of characters are choice. There's one named Roman Williams.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-38233685201548832832009-09-05T11:03:33.462-05:002009-09-05T11:03:33.462-05:00I couldn't read the whole thing either. It ma...I couldn't read the whole thing either. It makes me both sick and angry. These guys are dangerous.motherameliahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11381575553733390018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-57142149592686357762009-09-05T11:01:19.465-05:002009-09-05T11:01:19.465-05:00Are these the same guys that cited a veterinarian ...Are these the same guys that cited a veterinarian as an "expert" on human homosexuality? And are these the same goofy people who send their "top secret emails" out to hundreds of other people by accident and then complain about their privacy being violated? They sound more like Bush-era FEMA workers than church leaders. These guys need to get out of church work and maybe form a comedy troup. They are hilarious! Look at the bright side -- at least they aren't elected government officials trying to manage the bad world economy. Of course, I am a little concerned about their sabotage attempts to make Anglicanism into another fundamentlist club (and anywhere you have fundamentalism in the USA you will find the GOP). But they can't even agree among themselves about ordination of women, hetero divorce, etc. So I don't think they will ever pass the Gamaliel Test (Acts 5:33-39). The best thing we can do is keep telling the truth, proclaiming and living the Good News, and keep on praying for the Church. Ultimately, the survival of the Church is in God's hands, not ours. As long as we are faithful and seeking God's basileia (commonwealth-reign) and God's righteousnes (right relationship) all the other things will be added to us (Matthew 6:33). I don't see these clumsy and silly people as passing the "Gamaliel Test." My first big clue about this was when they cited a veterinarian as an expert on human sexuality. Bwahahaha! I am a gay man and they are so incompetent that they make me laugh more than they offend me. I remain confident, enthusiastic, hopeful, and encouraged about our beloved Anglican Communion. Oh, just thought I would mention to you that our newest puppy ate the only N.T. Wright book I owned yesterday... He really read, marked, learned, inwardly digested, and tore right through it...Марко Фризияhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08329850161076633932noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-51912276060256711512009-09-05T10:23:55.221-05:002009-09-05T10:23:55.221-05:00If everything in the blog post is true, then I'...If everything in the blog post is true, then I'd have to ask why Christopher Seitz has any credibility left at all? Why does ANYONE pay attention to him?June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-6465550493195754212009-09-05T10:09:12.368-05:002009-09-05T10:09:12.368-05:00The blogger on Lapin's link is the newspaper r...The blogger on Lapin's link is the newspaper reporter in Co Springs.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287169546184325690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-38499679867585027042009-09-05T10:02:47.313-05:002009-09-05T10:02:47.313-05:00Lapin, I wish the blogger at your link had provide...Lapin, I wish the blogger at your link had provided documentation for his statements. <br /><br />Paul, yes. Any so-called person of faith who uses fear to grab power is not about the work of the Kingdom.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-26871363665745049742009-09-05T09:41:07.832-05:002009-09-05T09:41:07.832-05:00They are dangerous, punitive, and playing the devi...They are dangerous, punitive, and playing the devil's game. They are about fear, loathing, and power.Paulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06090720645937634051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-3327608227301964772009-09-05T09:30:18.550-05:002009-09-05T09:30:18.550-05:00I agree with Ann - we dismiss them at our own peri...I agree with Ann - we dismiss them at our own peril.Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-21516343674619745912009-09-05T08:59:40.215-05:002009-09-05T08:59:40.215-05:00"Tom Wright perceives a vacuum in leadership&..."Tom Wright perceives a vacuum in leadership" - in the Diocese of Durham, from what one reads. Seems their bishop is far too busy racking up Frequent Flier miles.<br /><br />Re the ACI, hate to keep beating this drum (actually, I don't), but I'm much more interested in the beam in their eye than in any supposed mote in TEC's. Check <a href="http://gazettereligion.blogspot.com/2007/04/more-grace-info.html" rel="nofollow">this 2007 link</a>, re their Colorado Springs relationship with Don Armstrong:<br /><br /><i>"Timothy Fuller, a former vestry member of Grace, said he served on the ACI's board for three years. Not once in those three years, Fuller said, did the board formally meet.<br /><br />"In October 2006, according to Fuller, Armstrong told the vestry that the ACI had borrowed about $170,000 from Grace over several years, and the vestry resolved the Institute would pay it back in $10,000 yearly installments, beginning this year.The vestry meeting was the first time Fuller had heard of the $170,000 the ACI allegedly borrowed. He resigned from the Institute’s board two months later."</i><br /><br />Wonder whether Armstrong or Seitz, whose comments ring just a tad evasive to me, is closer to telling the truth. If ACI subsequently addressed these claims more fully, it must have slipped by me. Wonder how that $10,000 a year repayment schedule is going.Lapinbizarrehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07686990585795363001noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-60804056755004863052009-09-05T08:10:31.115-05:002009-09-05T08:10:31.115-05:00Ann, I'm glad that I posted in the wee hours o...Ann, I'm glad that I posted in the wee hours of the morning, or folks would not believe that I didn't plagiarize Jim.<br /><br />These people are troublemakers. Tom Wright perceives a vacuum in leadership and is making his way to the fore, and Rowan sits passively observing the scene.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-47574509931485580692009-09-05T08:00:45.605-05:002009-09-05T08:00:45.605-05:00Oh I am not hopeful - somehow the ABC thinks these...Oh I am not hopeful - somehow the ABC thinks these guys hang the moon. Jim Naughton picks up the story <a href="http://www.episcopalcafe.com/lead/anglican_communion/aci_says_we_right_the_rules.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287169546184325690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-87942483124708669812009-09-05T07:49:34.526-05:002009-09-05T07:49:34.526-05:00Ann and Elizabeth, I wish I could be as hopeful as...Ann and Elizabeth, I wish I could be as hopeful as you that most folks will dismiss this statement as foolishness.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-41529509617723788442009-09-05T07:35:43.412-05:002009-09-05T07:35:43.412-05:00And making it perfectly clear that it is about pun...And making it perfectly clear that it is about punishing TEC for our stand on homosexuality - and all the sacraments for all the baptized. <br /><br />Not "interpretation of scripture" or "rejection of cultural modernity" or "a return to the orthodox faith." <br /><br />Make that 4 idiots and a website making it easier for the rest of the communion not to adopt a Covenant which is clearly "two track" and not "two tier" (Read: ecclesiastical apartheid doing spiritual violence to the soul of Anglicanism).Elizabeth Kaetonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06787552280232329081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-39149571441293653442009-09-05T06:46:58.553-05:002009-09-05T06:46:58.553-05:004 guys and a website stirring up trouble.4 guys and a website stirring up trouble.Annhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287169546184325690noreply@blogger.com