tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post3026711039092006481..comments2024-03-22T12:57:57.273-05:00Comments on WOUNDED BIRD: Bishop Gene Robinson's PrayerJune Butlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-38209452080343641992009-01-19T14:05:00.000-06:002009-01-19T14:05:00.000-06:00Joshua, thank YOU for your kind words. I fear tha...Joshua, thank YOU for your kind words. I fear that the folks who leave the ugly comments don't do a lot of listening.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-69225784207335470242009-01-19T13:56:00.000-06:002009-01-19T13:56:00.000-06:00Dear Grandmere Mimi,Thank you for your transcript ...Dear Grandmere Mimi,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your transcript of Bishop Gene Robinson's prayer. It brought tears to my eyes to read it. I'm not a religious man but heard a little bit about it on NPR today and wanted to read/hear what he spoke.<BR/><BR/>To bad that so many people in the nation can't listen more than they speak....as some of the people who left such mean comments on here just need to listen to the beauty of what anyone (like Bishop Robinson) says at this time of hour as this nation is on the cusp of change. They all speak for so many americans as we enter this time.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your moderation on this blog and beauty in spirit and attitude. You have made my day.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06604221438528659724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-56091310801439805162009-01-19T10:04:00.000-06:002009-01-19T10:04:00.000-06:00Regarding the anonymous choir ... with the excepti...Regarding the anonymous choir ... with the exception of a Navy choir, no groups were mentioned.Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-25323489064709704732009-01-19T09:43:00.001-06:002009-01-19T09:43:00.001-06:00Carol, you sound like a sweet woman and I strongly...Carol, you sound like a sweet woman and I strongly invite you to come back here and read regularly and check out some of the other blogs Mimi has linked. I don't think you have to worry about the disgruntled GLBT folk and their dear friends who are angry about this causing any kind of major red/blue division in the country = if we had that much sway we would not have been so rudely treated yesterday. Clearly there is a groundswell to canonize Obama - this superman treatment will not serve him well as he faces a Herculean task. He would have been better off leaving well enough alone after the dust settled from the Rick Warren invite - he's going to need all the support he can get and he has severly weakened mine and others.RENZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981050766307343246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-72102690578649186432009-01-19T09:43:00.000-06:002009-01-19T09:43:00.000-06:00Diane, it was more than one nasty troll. The Huff...Diane, it was more than one nasty troll. The Huff Post link brought them by.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-6474492206493953262009-01-19T08:36:00.000-06:002009-01-19T08:36:00.000-06:00I had settled into resignation this morning only t...I had settled into resignation this morning only to read a post by someone who was in communication with HBO - the decision not to broadcast Bishop Robinson was an inaugural committee decision and then I saw Dahveed's comment that the Gay Chorus was not identified during the performance backing up Josh Brogan. As George Orwell wrote, "All Animals Are Equal, But Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others." Some things apparently don't change.RENZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981050766307343246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-25418917493709926052009-01-19T06:56:00.000-06:002009-01-19T06:56:00.000-06:00Mimi, I have posted video of Bishop Robinson's pra...Mimi, I have posted video of Bishop Robinson's prayer on my blog along with a developing report that it was Obama's people who made the decision to cut him out of the broadcast. Apparently this was not HBO's decision.<BR/><BR/>I hope Bishop Gene manages to wash the tire tread marks off before he appears on The Daily Show Tuesday. night.Mike in Texashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12324396563818549026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-26011917944440164242009-01-19T01:58:00.000-06:002009-01-19T01:58:00.000-06:00SCB, HBO's coverage of the Obama Concert was free ...SCB, HBO's coverage of the Obama Concert was <I>free</I> (i.e., they unblocked it, to all the HBO <I>non</I>-subscribers, like me).<BR/><BR/>For all I know, they'll repeat it: you'll have a chance to NOT see/hear +Gene Robinson, again! >;-/<BR/><BR/>[Mimi, THANK YOU for your discretionary moderation. There are other blogs {cough * M Harris's Preludium * cough} that I wish WOULD moderate such <I>im</I>moderate people as "Jenny"!]Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-88348735581965751832009-01-19T01:54:00.000-06:002009-01-19T01:54:00.000-06:00I do not understand how a bishop of ANY "Christian...I do not understand how a bishop of ANY "<I><B>Christian</B></I>" denomination would chose to ignore the Truth of the Christ of God, Jesus, in any prayer... for any reason; and in particular, with a captive national audience available for the pickin's.<BR/><BR/>On second thought, I believe I do understand. A bishop(?)... yes... well... there were many "bishops" in the days when Jesus walked this fallen earth, as well. Of course, Jesus told them the <B>truth</B>. They simply chose to reject it, much as this "bishop" has.<BR/><BR/>I suppose, if you're asking God to bless anyone, without the understanding that any blessings of God come only by the fervent and effectual prayer of a righteous man, then perhaps it really doesn't matter. After all; how does one acquire <I>imputed</I> righteousness without the death and resurrection of Jesus?<BR/><BR/>As for hatred, we can certainly use less of that. Amen! Then again, without calling upon Jesus, by His name, for His mercy -- through His forgiveness, upon our repentence of our sins (all of them, I might add) -- is it reasonable for us to expect His mercy... rather than His wrath?<BR/><BR/>Maybe faith has come to mere empty gestures of adoration toward the One True God (you know; the one <I>of our many understandings</I>?) This leads me to speculate a little sackcloth and some ashes would have gone much further.<BR/><BR/>But what do I know? I ain't no bishop. Then again, neither is ol' Gene -- as I can clearly read in God's Holy Book.<BR/><BR/>Thank You JESUS, for your longsuffering of us. Amen.<BR/><BR/>BruceAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-63268115459666983692009-01-19T01:12:00.000-06:002009-01-19T01:12:00.000-06:00Grandmere, I, too, tuned in primarily to see Bish...Grandmere, <BR/>I, too, tuned in primarily to see Bishop Gene and was very disappointed. I came to your blog to see if anyone had info why. I followed some links and came across someone's blog where they posted a youtube version of his prayer. Yay! I got to hear it after all. http://queersunited.blogspot.com/2009/01/bishop-robinsons-prayer-no-show-on-hbo.html<BR/>-LoriAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-69603162509596039702009-01-18T23:05:00.000-06:002009-01-18T23:05:00.000-06:00I am glad that you posted Bishop Gene's prayer. I...I am glad that you posted Bishop Gene's prayer. I thought that it was lovely.<BR/><BR/>What a nasty troll!Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-82055707804551346332009-01-18T22:33:00.000-06:002009-01-18T22:33:00.000-06:00Well, this is my first post on a blog. I found yo...Well, this is my first post on a blog. I found you looking for a video of Bishop Robinson's Prayer. Guess that's not going to happen. Thank you for posting it. I really hope the doubters are wrong about the reasons for it not being heard and broadcast. I want so much for this country to be able to come together in hope and really accomplish something. I guess there will always be things we don't like, that got screwed up, etc. But let's keep working and hoping. Cynicism does not create good. Nor does blindness. Let's find a way around both.Carolhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14679009578617929616noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-18532267811426507852009-01-18T22:29:00.000-06:002009-01-18T22:29:00.000-06:00I don't have HBO (I can barely afford the extremel...I don't have HBO (I can barely afford the extremely basic cable package I have), so I wasn't party to seeing any of this. But if there was a deliberate attempt on anyone's part to silence such an eloquent prayer, then I, too, am saddened and angry. I am not going to throw in the towel on this administration before Obama officially takes office. And I think it's right for us to keep our community and our second-class status in front of the new President. There's a lot that must be done to undo everything the current, um, leader has done to our country and the world in our name. But if <I>nothing</I> improves for the LGBT community...and if we continue to slip backward...then we must consider how we're going to use our political clout in the future. <BR/>As for Jenny and others who have come here to Grandmere's blog to attack the gay community, is Sunday TV so boring that you have nothing else to do??SCGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08162762233972733978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-30371100193509330632009-01-18T22:16:00.000-06:002009-01-18T22:16:00.000-06:00Nancy, you could be right. It's sad.Nancy, you could be right. It's sad.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-9924692813379247712009-01-18T22:15:00.000-06:002009-01-18T22:15:00.000-06:00LOL - I forgot about the comment moderation, Gram....LOL - I forgot about the comment moderation, Gram. Pick one of my two comments or keep them both.RENZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981050766307343246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-11304114719553059762009-01-18T22:10:00.000-06:002009-01-18T22:10:00.000-06:00Yes, I posted my usual R&B Sunday night song o...Yes, I posted my usual R&B Sunday night song on my blog with comments - I'm not sure to what extent walking the GLBT walk has to do with the intensity of our anger and pain over this - I'm catching a fair amount of flak over on Face Book from some of my friends and family who think I'm overreacting. I very much appreciate my other heterosexual friends who seem equally enraged, frustrated, disappointed.RENZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981050766307343246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-1070255655132094962009-01-18T21:59:00.000-06:002009-01-18T21:59:00.000-06:00I think that somebody on the Obama team, not neces...I think that somebody on the Obama team, not necessarily Obama, knew full well when the coverage would begin. I don't think the event, which I watched, had any surprises for the Obama team. I think they knew and wrote or approved all text between songs and knew the text of Bishop Robinson's prayer and decided to just cut off the beginning and start the coverage where they did. I'm gay and Episcopalian and felt good about the decision to invite Bishop Robinson, and I'm disappointed and angry that the Obama team chose to deny us that one gesture. After all, many of us contributed to the campaign, worked for it, and supported this ticket and believed in it. I'll bet that the speakers will all be turned on for Rick Warren, that everyone will hear what he says, and everyone watching on tv will as well. This was a hurtful thing to do to the gay community, period.Nancy Hustonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17443176549425117461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-52640583882920552722009-01-18T21:56:00.000-06:002009-01-18T21:56:00.000-06:00Renz, I know. Best not to mention Jenny at all to...Renz, I know. Best not to mention Jenny at all tonight. She made it sound as if gays were the force behind every fascist movement in Europe.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-60565781871090702352009-01-18T21:33:00.000-06:002009-01-18T21:33:00.000-06:00Gram, I started out my post by saying "Not to defe...Gram, I started out my post by saying "Not to defend Jenny." Rohm and his brown shirts weren't just Nazi's who happened to be gay - it was very bizarre, but doesn't warrant a belief in a homosexual/fascist conspiracy - that's starting to drift into a "Jews run the world" kind of thinking, eh? Jenny is bad! Bad...bad...bad and I am thankful that you made her nastier comments go away - I'm feeling particularly vulnerable tonight after the Gene Robinson snub today. ::hugs:: (because I needed one)RENZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981050766307343246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-60779518967132510372009-01-18T21:07:00.000-06:002009-01-18T21:07:00.000-06:00Robert, my own feelings toward Jenny are not the k...Robert, my own feelings toward Jenny are not the kindest at the moment.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-68614961781588181952009-01-18T21:03:00.000-06:002009-01-18T21:03:00.000-06:00Dennis, I haven't "come out" to GP yet. He doesn'...Dennis, I haven't "come out" to GP yet. He doesn't ask, and I don't tell.<BR/><BR/>Renz, please do not defend Jenny. I don't doubt that there were gays who were Nazis.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-17753593771477086082009-01-18T20:57:00.000-06:002009-01-18T20:57:00.000-06:00Well we could always make you an honorary gay pers...Well we could always make you an honorary gay person in recognition of the love of Jesus we see in your heart. And we could make Jenny an honorary Nazi since she seems to sound so like them. (opps, maybe that crossed the line)Roberthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12404578054102245724noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-6866548593690718802009-01-18T20:56:00.000-06:002009-01-18T20:56:00.000-06:00Also, I just checked the text of the Live Blogging...Also, I just checked the text of the Live Blogging done this afternoon on the Inaugural Committee's website. They started blogging at 1:59 PM - Guess what, they don't mention Gene Robinson either and HBO had no control over that. Not a single word - 2:20 comes and goes in the text - but we get great details of Bruce Springstein who "opens" the show. I am so disgusted words can't express it.RENZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981050766307343246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-35377809236218498752009-01-18T20:42:00.000-06:002009-01-18T20:42:00.000-06:00Not to defend "Jenny" but Rohm who was head of the...Not to defend "Jenny" but Rohm who was head of the SA (brownshirts) and much of the leadership were openly homosexual - Rohm and his SAs were a threat to the regular army. Hitler ordered his death and the death of the SA leadership which was carried out in the Night of the Long Knives. Beyond that - raspberries to her and her nasty comments.<BR/><BR/>I believe that the absence of Gene was deliberate. I was suspicious from the beginning - the way word was leaked out was unusual. The Inaugural Committee put a damper on any Rick Warren protests because we believed we were getting some recognition, but HBO was footing the bill and controlling all broadcast rites and I'm certain they didn't want to offend. I believe the timing was very deliberate and Obama's people were aware of it.RENZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981050766307343246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-55678118638077955362009-01-18T20:22:00.000-06:002009-01-18T20:22:00.000-06:00Since I turned on comment moderation, I received a...<I>Since I turned on comment moderation, I received another comment from Jenny, which I rejected. She thinks I'm gay.</I><BR/><BR/>oh, my! Does Grandpere know?Dennishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01945343859290558131noreply@blogger.com