tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post8801011189744961472..comments2024-03-22T12:57:57.273-05:00Comments on WOUNDED BIRD: CARDINAL BURKE IN FABULOUS RED SATIN AND LACEJune Butlerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comBlogger58125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-92099471853329978412017-02-14T15:03:43.994-06:002017-02-14T15:03:43.994-06:00Yes, Burke is old school, and he may see himself a...Yes, Burke is old school, and he may see himself as a prince cardinal. Pope Francis recommends simpler vestments for clergy. <br />June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-20141445078096785452017-02-14T13:58:15.077-06:002017-02-14T13:58:15.077-06:00I'm an Argentinian Catholic and I can't ne...I'm an Argentinian Catholic and I can't neither understand why the heck is he using these clothes at this time of the 21st century. Maybe he thinks that he is a Prince of the 13th century. squonckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07274656664044389851noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-76377884954674854022014-09-24T16:01:59.114-05:002014-09-24T16:01:59.114-05:00https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c62iZ4ufOYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c62iZ4ufOYAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864145738474453447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-74986539192119924392014-09-20T18:53:14.917-05:002014-09-20T18:53:14.917-05:00Even though that is the whole point of vestments, ...Even though that is the whole point of vestments, to draw us to God. That's why the majority of Church settings are so beautiful and grand, to draw us into the mindset of worship. But we can disagree; everyone has their preferences. But then the goal would be not to judge one bishop for his use of such vestments. What if someone were to mock a priest for wearing a simple red drape? It starts to become rude and insensitive, to Catholic heritage even! The cappa magna and the bold vestments are very much like Native American headdresses, or Spanish skirts. It is a historical vestment, rich in Catholic heritage. One shouldn't mock such practices, since they are very much ours today as they were back then. That would be like laughing at Pacific Islanders who choose to wear a grass skirt and lei - it's cultural and significant to that group of people. The cappa magna should be viewed the same way, and be cherished, not ridiculed.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864145738474453447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-62695183965540614432014-09-20T11:10:35.644-05:002014-09-20T11:10:35.644-05:00Andrew, I guess we'll just disagree about the ...Andrew, I guess we'll just disagree about the vestments. I'd find it difficult to keep from laughing at that kind of spectacle in a mass today. The extravagance would distract me rather than draw my mind and heart to God.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-18224708422247345072014-09-20T10:56:52.719-05:002014-09-20T10:56:52.719-05:00That's not the point. What makes simple vestme...That's not the point. What makes simple vestments any better than "extravagant" ones? Or extravagant ones worse than simple ones? Even then, Pope Francis hasn't condemned any priest's use of such vestments. Not to mention the majority of the vestments in question are OLD; they're either antique or belong to the church or parish in attendance. In the case of the group in the pictures with Burke - the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest - the vestments are theirs, a majority of which come from the Lourdes and Fatima. And not to mention, no one attending the Masses seem to be too flustered about his vestments, or the other priests', or the decorations adorning the altar. They probably see it to be very beautiful.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864145738474453447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-52681866301781142012014-09-19T11:43:28.549-05:002014-09-19T11:43:28.549-05:00Andrew, Pope Francis favors simple vestments, so I...Andrew, Pope Francis favors simple vestments, so I doubt we'll see him arrayed in the extravagant style of Cardinal Burke. June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-80950733722461303152014-09-18T21:33:21.062-05:002014-09-18T21:33:21.062-05:00Actually he does have the right to deny Communion....Actually he does have the right to deny Communion. He is a bishop: bishops have the power to excommunicate and deny sacraments to who they see it necessary. In the case of Catholics who disagree with Church teachings, i.e. politicians who support and fight for "abortion rights," like Nancy Pelosi, he is absolutely right. His decisions are the correct ones. If a priest knew that someone had murdered someone or was in an adulterous relationship, he can refuse him Communion during Mass. Same with Cardinal Burke. He has the power, being a bishop, a man given the fullness of Holy Order at his ordination. Did you know he was ordained a Cardinal by St. John Paul II?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864145738474453447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-82978020613246226782014-09-18T21:28:51.142-05:002014-09-18T21:28:51.142-05:00It scares me that so many people are open about &q...It scares me that so many people are open about "laughing" at his Eminence. If Pope Francis were to wear such solemn garbs would he be judged? If anything you are mocking the group of people at the Mass who appreciate Burke celebrating in this form for them. The appreciate him; why can't you?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864145738474453447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-10662351493092314792014-09-18T21:25:40.233-05:002014-09-18T21:25:40.233-05:00How is he promoting exclusion? His vestments don&#...How is he promoting exclusion? His vestments don't even project that. And what would be wrong with his vesture bringing ridicule upon himself? Aren't we all called to be mortified and to suffer for Christ? Because that's the point of the cappa, to point to Christ. <br />I see now that no one here really understands the purpose of the cappa. Yes it is meant to represent finery - what else is 17 meter long train for? But the important detail is what is done with the cappa during the Mass. The celebrant is publicly "stripped" of his laces and silks. He is taken apart, stitch by stitch, and clothed in the vestments of the priesthood, the armor of faith and of Christ. This symbolizes the casting out of worldly position- they have no place at the altar. That was the purpose of the cappa, which, I might add, was worn by ALL bishops until 1970. <br />Also, being a cardinal, the red represents the blood which he is willing to shed for the faith; that is the symbolism behind the red vestments of cardinals. In the old liturgical traditions, when the cardinals would prostate themselves in the cappas during Easter, the entire church floor would appear to be a "sea of blood," calling to mind the blood shed my the thousands of Christians for the glory of God.<br />You asked what pricey silk and lace vestments have to do with the Gospel. Well what does Notre Dame in Paris and St. Peter's Basilica in Rome have to do with the Gospel? What do mitres and cassocks have to do with the gospel? What do chalices and altars and gold tabernacles have to do with the Gospel? They all have to do with pointing praise and worship to God, to use whatever we lowly human beings can to adore God, i.e. using golds and other precious metals and jewels. That's why these lovely things exist: for the glory of God. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05864145738474453447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-78522868109552520872013-03-27T22:21:23.022-05:002013-03-27T22:21:23.022-05:00For some of the liturgies and ceremonies, the new ...For some of the liturgies and ceremonies, the new pope is telling the cardinals how to dress - simply.<br /><br />It is interesting that Burke had no comment on his new boss.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-68316330753562605372013-03-25T23:36:11.759-05:002013-03-25T23:36:11.759-05:00It will be interesting to see how Cardinal Burke a...It will be interesting to see how Cardinal Burke acts under the new Pope Francis. Are there two cardinals (Francis being the former Cardinal Bergoglio) who dress differently? Bergoglio usually didn't even dress as a cardinal unless he had to because he was at a consistory or conclave in Rome, and even then he wore a plain black coat when he was outside (hence the very few pictures of him outside in Rome). He's always worn the same pectoral cross made of iron, probably plainer than any other cardinal's (it also has an image of Christ on it, which is good). And this has continued as Pope: he's abandoned the red mozzetta and red shoes, and his chasuble at his inauguration Mass was quite plain. Many cardinals have spoken or given interviews about Francis, but the only thing I've been able to find from Burke is his response to an interview request from the Washington Post: "I'm sorry, I won't be able to respond." Interesting. :)Alex Kubishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16180843682360373488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-27431683476822302092013-03-08T14:17:25.063-06:002013-03-08T14:17:25.063-06:00veneremurcernui, you certainly have a right to you...veneremurcernui, you certainly have a right to your opinion, as I do to mine. I do not seethe with rage against Cardinal Burke. I'm sorry he uses his power to promote exclusion, which is not the way of Jesus in the Gospel. The elaborate vestments make the cardinal a laughing-stock and open the him to ridicule, which is my way of protesting his abuse of his power. What, in heaven's name, do pricey silk and lace vestments have to do with the Gospel? June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-54421137580255218382013-03-07T16:05:14.601-06:002013-03-07T16:05:14.601-06:00Cardinal Burke is one of the greatest lights of Ho...Cardinal Burke is one of the greatest lights of Holy Mother Church. As a former episcopalian myself, I feel incredibly blessed to have him in a leadership position in the Church. The seething rage underlying these posts does the author no credit. I wonder why an episcopalian would trouble themselves so much with a prelate of the Catholic Church? If you are a former Catholic, I applaud your intellectual honesty for departing for a sect more in line with your views. I pray for your conversion or reconversion in any event.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-30778006680152175602012-10-14T19:24:45.702-05:002012-10-14T19:24:45.702-05:00Yes, I didn't feel sorry for him for very long...Yes, I didn't feel sorry for him for very long :) Not very deeply, either.Cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11043992815529452897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-81963127630349407272012-10-14T18:22:41.255-05:002012-10-14T18:22:41.255-05:00I confess to mean, Cathy, but Cardinal Burke is a ...I confess to mean, Cathy, but Cardinal Burke is a person of power, and he urges refusal of communion to Roman Catholics who disagree with the church's official position on various matters. That's not right. Humor and mockery are one way of dealing with persons who use their power to dominate the less powerful.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-34209935185972041292012-10-14T17:35:53.477-05:002012-10-14T17:35:53.477-05:00I've perused the complete collection and the l...I've perused the complete collection and the lime green is definitely still the scariest. <br /><br />Mimi, maybe we're being a bit mean to poor Cardinal Burke, what do you think? He doesn't look happy.Cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11043992815529452897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-32502111267752611402012-10-14T14:21:19.731-05:002012-10-14T14:21:19.731-05:00Yes, the bilious green. Well, there are more red ...Yes, the bilious green. Well, there are more red vestments, the clashing purples, and a white fur cape. And that's not to mention the hat with the pom-pom look-alikes that are really pinned up tassels. <a href="http://thewoundedbird.blogspot.com/search/label/Cardinal%20Raymond%20Burke" rel="nofollow">My complete collection is here</a>. Isn't it splendid that Google brought them all together? June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-15360885776467265102012-10-14T13:52:32.369-05:002012-10-14T13:52:32.369-05:00I've seen the bilious yellow/lime green number...I've seen the bilious yellow/lime green number, which looked distinctly like it should carry some sort of health warning, perhaps that "HazChem" sign they put on the backs of trucks carrying hazardous goods. Maybe the perpetual sourface has to do with the fact that his later efforts have never managed to be quite so terrifying? ...Cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11043992815529452897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-73723125465214883782012-10-13T20:09:47.023-05:002012-10-13T20:09:47.023-05:00Cathy, have you seen the cardinal's other fash...Cathy, have you seen the cardinal's other fashion statements? The very first picture I saw of one of the cardinal's elaborate sets of vestments fried my brain. I'm now a collector of photos of the cardinal dressed up, and he doesn't disappoint. Periodically, a new outfit appears that is not in my collection. June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-83507408040512562792012-10-13T20:04:07.915-05:002012-10-13T20:04:07.915-05:00I'm sure that's true, Mimi, but I think in...I'm sure that's true, Mimi, but I think in this instance the Cardinal's outfit may have fried their brains.Cathyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11043992815529452897noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-39312037801915655072012-10-13T08:44:49.542-05:002012-10-13T08:44:49.542-05:00Renz, I take it you mean, "Yes". :-)Renz, I take it you mean, "Yes". :-)June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-76721108161146709002012-10-13T07:55:18.286-05:002012-10-13T07:55:18.286-05:00Yes, JCF, I was thinking that he looked like the d...Yes, JCF, I was thinking that he looked like the diva from that obscure opera The Bride of Satan...RENZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981050766307343246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-70728364763604380452012-10-13T07:53:04.977-05:002012-10-13T07:53:04.977-05:00Yes.Yes.RENZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06981050766307343246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2174812066017196444.post-62897747671473919852012-10-12T22:24:15.759-05:002012-10-12T22:24:15.759-05:00The vestments make no sense to me, Erp.The vestments make no sense to me, Erp.June Butlerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01723016934182800437noreply@blogger.com