|Gay chef Tom Logan|
In what his friends claim is a softening of his stance on Popes, 38-year-old gay chef Tom Logan claimed he was fine with them as long as they didn’t do any Pope stuff.My friend Alison on Facebook made my day with the link above.
I confess I am puzzled by the glee over Pope Francis' latest statement on gays, as I don't see the pope offering hope for any change in practice. The pope's tone is more pastoral than previous popes, but that's about it.
Speaking to reporters on a flight back from Brazil, he [Pope Francis] reaffirmed the Roman Catholic Church's position that homosexual acts were sinful, but homosexual orientation was not.
He was responding to questions about whether there was a "gay lobby" in the Vatican.
"If a person is gay and seeks God and has good will, who am I to judge them?"
But Pope Francis said gay clergymen should be forgiven and their sins forgotten.
"The Catechism of the Catholic Church explains this very well," Pope Francis said in a wide-ranging 80-minute long interview with Vatican journalists.
From The Catechism of the Catholic Church:
Chastity and homosexualityPope Francis states that the Catechism explains the RCC's stance on same-sexuality very well. What then has changed? When I see a RC bishop or priest come out as gay and remain is his position, I'll believe the church has changed its position. When a candidate for ordination openly declares same-sex orientation and is allowed to continue the process to ordination, I will believe in change. We shall see.
2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. (My emphases)
Since I am no longer a member of the RCC, what the pope says doesn't matter very much to me one way or another. Still, I wonder because a good many gay friends of mine are pleased by the pope's words, and I do not understand the reasons for rejoicing.
|Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby|
UPDATE: Speaking of the Archbishop of Canterbury:
Speaking to more than 6,000 people at a conference, Archbishop Welby said the passing of the Same Sex Marriage Act had been “crushing” for the church, but was something it needed to listen and respond to.I'm tempted to despair. Crushing for which church? Certainly not for the Church of England. With the opposition Justin saw in the House of Lords, how can he think he speaks for the church? Does he speak for all bishops, priests, and laity in the church? As my English Facebook friend said, "YOU are NOT God Archbishop! Surrender your arrogant ignorance now?" I didn't say that. I'm merely quoting my English friend.
"I spoke against it and voted against it but I listened and I heard the roar of revolution,” said the Archbishop, as he described listening to the debate on The Same Sex Marriage Act.
"It came not merely from those one would expect but from every side of the house, Conservatives, Liberals and Labour, of every age and sex.
"Those of us against the act were utterly crushed in the voting again, and again, and again.
"There were more people who turned out to vote than the House of Lords than experienced in World War Two.
"But popular opinion is not a case for changing obedience to God...."