Thursday, April 19, 2007

This Article Hasn't Been Commented Yet.

Today, I checked out the website of the Diocese of Louisiana to see if my comment to Bishop Jenkins' response to the House of Bishop's "Communication" had been posted. I have already said that I think the comment will not see the light of day, and, indeed, it has not so far. My comment was not dated, but my post quoting it and the bishop's response went up on April 9, 2007.

At the website, above the space for posting a comment, is the notation, "This article hasn't been commented yet." Well, that's not quite true, is it? I'm fairly certain that mine was not the only comment that was sent in.

In addition, I had sent a letter concerning the plans of the Windsor bishops on March 5, 2007, and an email concerning his response to the HOB "Communication" on April 5, 2007, and I have not received a response to either of them.


  1. Mimi, perhaps he's just one very thoughtful Bishop, or maybe he's a slow reader or perchance a slow typist. Really s l o w . . .

    By the way, I know you're retired, but care to apply for the kitchen job over here.

  2. Clumber, what you said about my bishop, could be, could be.

    I left a comment at the pub, but it didn't show up. I guess the proprietor there is a little like my bishop in posting comments.

    I don't know about the kitchen job. Couldn't I be one of the intellectuals who sits around and pontificates to the other patrons? You know, a sort of a fixture.

  3. Sure, we can use all the intellectuals we can get!

    And for the record, it was a sort of joke site, so have no fear, clumber is still the place I'm hanging out in!

  4. Your blog has made the big time - you are included on the list of favorites on the Episcopal Cafe website run by the diocese of Washington (replaced Daily Episcopalian).


  5. Dennis, really! I get a blank page when I click on the cafe at the diocesan website.

  6. Just ran across this by accident! You have same musical and literary tastes as I have. How in the world did you know I was ill!!! John Haynes. jackjoe blog.

  7. I upgraded to the newest edition of Firefox, and now I can access the site. I see that I'm not in the "Top Favorites" tier, but in the "Additional Favorites" tier. But, hey! I'm grateful for a place on their page on any tier.

  8. How in the world did you know I was ill!!!

    Jackjoe, Tobias Haller told on you. I hope you are feeling better.


  9. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for the bishop to respond.

    I'm still waiting for P.B. Griswold to answer my e-mail from three years ago. Good thing I haven't been holding my breath!

  10. Pat, I didn't really expect that he would respond. He doesn't come for a visitation until mid-2008, so he won't have to face me any time soon.

    Griswold? He be gone.

  11. Hello. This is John{jack/joe} The latter are the names of by two beautiful grandsons. Tomorrow will post a quote or two about Trollope and Greene from my book.Hope you will look. Nothing profound.

    Doing better. Thank the person who told you of me. Confident I can stand off the reaper for a while!

    Can't even find my own blog, I'm so inept on net.

    Incidentally, almost passed out when I saw 'your' oicture. The exact likeness of my neice.

    Serious for a minute. I've been posting religious and philosophy comments on liberal catholic blogs, but am not a catholic.My wife, kids, and grandsons are but my last affiliation was Anglican. I'm kind of a skeptic. I know...shame!! But could you answer this question: What ever happened to the "confortable words?" Could you tell me or direct me to a blog that could? Thanks. John Haynes or jack/joe.

  12. confortable words

    John, is the word above a misspelling of comfortable, or do you mean the French word "confortable"?

    Can't even find my own blog, I'm so inept on net.

    LOL. Do you know what that means, John?

  13. Thanks for responding. Of course I meant coMfortable words. These were a favorite part of Anglican communion service in 40's and 50's. I can say them by memory today. They were in the '28 prayerbook but were dropped in the later revisions, as not being 'apostolic' enough, apparently. But they played an important part to us when we were in teens and early 20's.Maybe someone out there can help.

    LOL. I have no idea. John

  14. John, here is a website with prayers and a Communion service from the 1928 prayer book.

    A quote:

    ALMIGHTY God, our heavenly Father, who of his great mercy hath promised forgiveness of sins to all those who with hearty repentance and true faith turn unto him; Have mercy upon you; pardon and deliver you from all your sins; confirm and strengthen you in all goodness; and bring you to everlasting life; through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen.

    ¶ Then shall the Priest say,

    Hear what comfortable words our Saviour Christ saith unto all who truly turn to him.

    COME unto me, all ye that travail and are heavy laden, and I will refresh you. St. Matt. xi. 28.
    So God loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, to the end that all that believe in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. St. John iii. 16.

    Hear also what Saint Paul saith.
    This is a true saying, and worthy of all men to be received, That Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners. 1 Tim. i. 15.

    Hear also what Saint John saith.
    If any man sin, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous; and he is the Propitiation for our sins. 1 St. John ii. 1, 2.

    This prayer from the 1928 book remains in the 1979 version of the prayer book, and I often say it silently before Communion, simply because I love it.

    WE do not presume to come to this thy Table, O merciful Lord, trusting in our own righteousness, but in thy manifold and great mercies. We are not worthy so much as to gather up the crumbs under thy Table. But thou art the same Lord, whose property is always to have mercy: Grant us therefore, gracious Lord, so to eat the flesh of thy dear Son Jesus Christ, and to drink his blood, that our sinful bodies may be made clean by his Body, and our souls washed through his most precious Blood, and that we may evermore dwell in him, and he in us. Amen.

    LOL is the computer acronym or shortcut for laughing out loud.

    I can relate to computer ineptness, because I'm not all that ept myself.

    I hope this was helpful.

  15. John: The comfortable words are in the new prayer book, in the Rite I eucharist. Page 332 of the 1979 BCP.

  16. hi, it's alice, John/jack's wife. i read him your response and he was very pleased. as you may know i am catholic, as are our kids and grandsons. john/jack hangs on to that '28 liturgy as the best in christendom. but not a reactionary. realizes times change.thanks. alice haynes.

  17. i forgot to mention john/jack woke me last night at 2 and said"lol means laughing out loud". he had not read your post before. alice

  18. Hey, looks like you'll have a chance to do a little lobbying further up the hierarchy this fall:

    I'd go easy on the gumbo.

  19. Jackjoe, Ihope you're not poorly gain. I'm pleased that you enjoyed what I sent.

    Alice, nice to meet you, virtually.

    Rick, I saw that article this morning. If my own bishop won't respond to me, what chance would I have to get within sight of the Archbishop of Canterbury?

    I'm probably already on a banned list.

  20. no, i would not say jack is gravely ill. he is so up the lady who heads the cancer support group uses him as an example of how to be up when physical down.

    after he blogged a while today he took to the keyboard knocking off some bach and some neopolitan songs and old hymns. his mother and father were church musicians on the side so he can play so many hymns, especially the old baptist and methodist ones he heard when young. although his parents were not of that religious persuasion he can play those hymns wonderfully by ear as he remembers them when they played in those churches. he thinks these old ones are a genre in themselves. have thy own way lord, jesus savior pilot me, pass me not o gentle savior,what a friend we have in jesus, amazing grace, just as i am etc. as a catholic i am not to familiar with these, but sometimes late at night he will get up an play for an hour of so. he also likes the old herbert and romberg songs. by the way our catholic friends insist he play the baptist and methodist hymns when they visit us. jack says these hymns are not great music like some of the anglican and catholic ones, but still they're very nice. thanks for your reply. i will tell jack first thing tomorrow. alice

  21. Alice, I'm pleased to hear that Jack is "up" and an example to the others.

    Tell him that I love the simple old hymns, too. We used to live a few houses down from an Assembly of God Church, and I used to go there to hear the old hymns and sing along.

  22. thanks for your response. one more thing. jack has a cousin, brought up a methodist, nothing now, and the two sometimes discuss the "old" hymns. jack always says many of them have been "ruined" by changes in harmony and texture in an effort to moderize them. i really don't know much about what he means but i know he plays them beautifully, but maintains their original 'feel', or so people say. alice

  23. Hi, Mimi!

    Hey, my favorite 'old' hymn is 'Blessed Assurance,' by Fannie Crosby(I think)!

  24. Susan S, I love "Blessed Assurance" also. My list of favorites would be long. "I'll Fly Away", "The Old Rugged Cross", "In the Sweet Bye and Bye", and "When The Roll Is Called Up Yonder, I'll Be There.". Some of the old ones are in our hymnal, like "Rock of Ages"

    We have an old hymnal that belonged to my father-in-law, which has the music written in shaped notation. He told us that you didn't have to read music, to know what note to sing, you could tell by the shape of the note.

    I'm looking through it now, and one of the hymns is called, "Keep On The Firing Line".

    It begins,

    "If you're in the battle for the Lord and right, keep on the firing line.
    If you win the vict'ry, brother, you must fight, keep on the firing line."

    My father-in-law didn't go to church for many years, but as he grew older, be began to go to choir practice, but not Sunday services. He loved to sing and play the fiddle and the guitar. All he ever played and sang were the old hymns.

  25. I love tht he didn't go to church, just choir practice! Was he Methodist, Baptist, or what?

    I have a Methodist hymnal from 1915. In it is a hymn whose first verse is

    "How tedious and tasteless the hours
    When Jesus no longer I see.
    Sweet prospects, sweet birds and sweet flowers
    Have all lost their meaning to me.
    The mid-summer sun shines but dim
    The fields try in vain to look gay.
    But when I am happy in Him,
    December's as pleasant as May."

    It was my great-grandmother's favorite hymn. I never met her. She died in 1931 when my mother was 11 years old.
    I had never seen the hymn written out, only heard my mother and aunt sing it. They would only sing the first verse. I found the book in a pile of stuff my father-in-law had collected. It was written by the man who wrote 'Amazing Grace!' My choir director asked me to sing 'Blessed Assurance' in the summer doldrums one year and I said that on the condition I could sing 'How Tedious." I don't think he liked the idea, but then agreed. When I got thru singing, he was convinced, if not converted! ;-)

  26. Susan, he was Southern Baptist. His mother, my husband's grandmother, was a very strict SB. When my father-in-law went to visit his parents in north Louisiana, his mother would take him aside for a long sermon soon after his arrival.

    After the sermon was over, my father-in-law would take his father to the woodshed for a nip or two from the bottle of whiskey that he carried with him, but kept out of sight of his mother.

    I have read old letters from my husband's grandmother, and they are written sermons.

  27. Oooh! Such a son! She was working on him all the time you know, but he did have his own way to go, didn't he?


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