Not since the days of my youth, when I was rather seriously afflicted with a case of scruples for a good many years, a malady not uncommon to Roman Catholic youth, have I had anything resembling spiritual direction. Perhaps, the youth of other denominations suffered from scruples, too, but mine was a predominantly Roman Catholic world, so I can't speak with any authority of other denominations. The "sins" about which I worried that I was losing my soul were trivia. I'd give you examples, but they're far too embarrassing.
Certain of my "sins" had to do with "impure thoughts", which the nuns regularly warned us against, however they never spelled out examples of "impure thoughts", I assume because to explain them would be embarrassing, plus the nuns and the students would have to think the "impure thoughts", and, lest we all fall into sin by lingering on the thoughts, we'd be bound to immediately wrest our minds away from them. All was therefore left vague, which meant that those of us of a scrupulous inclination were left with a large and fertile orchard from which to pluck the forbidden fruit of "impure thoughts" which we were absolutely forbidden to think. There's nothing like repression to lead to obsession!
My cure from scruples came when I was in college, when the Jesuit philosophy professor who was counseling me told me that if I had any doubt whatsoever as to whether something was a sin, I should consider it not a sin. I believed him and followed his advice, and, before long, I was cured. Back then, I thought that if a priest told me to do something, it was always the right thing to do, which makes me thankful that I was never around sexually abusive priests, but in the case of the scruples, the advice worked.
The priest who helped me before the philosophy professor was a professor of theology, a kind and caring man, but he became ill and went into a mental institution. I sometimes wondered if listening to my petty worries about trivia (which were not trivial or petty to me) and those of other students like me (he attracted the woebegone like flypaper attracts flies) finally sent him over the edge. That was another addition to my pile of scruples. Was it partially my fault that he became ill?
I don't even know if the sessions with the priests over my scruples count as spiritual direction or would rather be considered spiritual counseling, because I haven't regularly had anything that I could call spiritual direction since then. I suppose that having passed the three-quarter century mark of years on this earth that it's a little late to be wondering if I need a spiritual director. I suspect that I may be too headstrong and rebellious to take spiritual direction, and the thought of putting my spiritual life in the hands of another human being is quite scary to me.
So what do you think? Should most Christians have a spiritual director?
You put a priest in the nut house? Should you have a Spiritual Director? Well, as long as their not a member of the clergy!!!
ReplyDeleteOkay, I apologise for my bad joke; I can be such a butt head!!
If you believe you need a Spiritual Director, you should find one. It can't hurt' and it may open up an entire new world of spirituality for you.
If you haven't sent the so-called "Mad One" over the edge yet, you should be safe, Mimi.
ReplyDeletePadre, would you like to be my online spiritual director? Oops, no clergy! That leaves you out.
ReplyDeletePaul(A.), how about you?
Grandmere --confession is always good --and priests can't say no to that!!!
ReplyDeleteMargaret, I tried the rite of confession a few years ago, and it was an unhappy experience. Both the priest and I were embarrassed. He was kind and compassionate, but we were both uncomfortable. I confess to God, my family and friends, and even online on occasion, but I won't try the rite any time soon, except maybe on my deathbed, or if I make a retreat.
ReplyDeleteSo what do you think? Should most Christians have a spiritual director?
ReplyDeleteI have had very spiritual human influences that weren´t religious folk...paying attention, reaching out, listening, saying no, saying yes, saying maybe become strong guidelines for me after I started owning/staying present for the results of my own choices (especially the embarrassing ones).
Picking up the telephone (or having a coffee or a spontaneous chat) and sharing my dilemmas with someone I consider a worthy confidant (even if I don´t know them that well) is spiritual...it´s trust, it´s acceptance that there is an issue that needs further examination by ME and ought not be dismissed or denyed. My experience only but I have sometimes prayed outloud to God (no human audience around) and I can hear what I need to hear to sort myself out as I talk to God...everything unfolds before me and God.
Re: Confession. OK, who's going to be the first to quote the famous words supposed to describe the Anglican attitude towards auricular confession: "All may, some should, none must"?
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As for a spiritual director, I think you might indeed find it helpful as well as fascinating - but then I've never actually had one myself so that's based on hearsay and on what I've seen of you here in cyberspace :-)
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Len, I think of books, lectures, sermons, and conversations with others, time alone, all those have drawn me closer to God.
ReplyDeleteArt, music, all God's wonderful creation, all that too. God wants our hearts, and I think once we give our hearts to God, the rest falls into place - not that we become perfect, but when we go astray God calls us back.
Aitchellsee, just one comment came through.
I don't feel the necessity for confession that I once did.
What concerns me about spiritual direction is all the focus on me, which seems somewhat self-centered. I'm fascinated enough with myself and the life of my mind already.
I recently got an SD, and what I find useful about this particular one is we are doing a "stretched out for people with a work life" version of the "30 day Ignatian retreat." It takes 90 days instead of 30 since we are going more slowly. That is not so much an "it's all about me" activity as it is a "how do I take these things I learn about me and use it to the service of God and others?" I think it honestly depends on who you get and what you need.
ReplyDeleteAs for a private confession, I did one recently simply for the assurance what I discussed is now "buried" and I will stop kicking myself and dragging it out and kicking myself again. It was a thing of closure that led to a metanoia. I couldn't "turn around" until I could finally turn loose of my feelings of what I did wrong. Again, your mileage may very.
"how do I take these things I learn about me and use it to the service of God and others?"
ReplyDeleteKirke, that sounds sensible to me, and I'd think that it could be quite beneficial.
If I felt that I needed closure by hearing the word of God's forgiveness spoken aloud on a certain matter, I would then probably do the formal confession again.
What a lovely comment thread! Even Padre Mickey and Paul (A.).
Should I Have A Spiritual Director?
ReplyDeleteI think you should have a keeper.
Roman education seems very adept at giving bad ideas. The first confession, I hear, gives ideas and thoughts un-known until then...
ReplyDeleteHardly the intention someonw once had?
See photographer Mappelthorpe (but to me it's his flowers that are really weird, showing that an artist s e e s thing differently from other folks ;=)
I find it striking that the people with the least and most trivial sin lists are the ones who do the most confessing. The real predators out there who wreck the lives of everyone around them, and sometimes wreck entire communities for fun and profit, are completely shameless.
ReplyDeleteFor spiritual direction, I suggest something other than conscience monitoring. Perhaps you should find someone, or better, a group of someones, to help you direct your talents and interests into ventures that are constructive and redemptive. Perhaps they could steer you into gratifying work cleaning up the mess and fixing the human damage left behind by the predators.
Mimi--I've had two "formal" spiritual directors over the years, and those were wonderful experiences. Both were clergy who had a special ministry in that area--but I know of some lay people who offer direction too.
ReplyDeleteI think it is entirely appropriate to focus on your own spiritual life and growth. Why does the thought of that bother you?
For me, spiritual direction really helped me to let go of some very negative ideas about God and what I "should" be doing about my relationship with God. It was the beginning of my developing a much healthier and (I would argue) truer conception of God than I had before I started.
It also provided me an outlet to talk about my faith in deeply personal terms with someone who wouldn't laugh at me or make me feel embarrassed about my deep longing for God. (I could not talk about those things at home, since my ex had left Christianity, and even my closest friends were not practicing Christians.)
YMMV, of course. I think the most important thing, if you choose to go that route, is to find someone with whom you feel comfortable talking. Trust is key.
Pax,
Doxy
Göran, I remember that as children, we were handed lists of sins that we might have done before going to confession, and ideas were certainly planted which would not have been considered otherwise.
ReplyDeleteCounterlight, the conscience-monitoring type of spiritual direction is not the way I would go. You know, my blog has become something of a ministry in ways that I can't even talk about. I started it as a lark, but at times it gets very serious, both publicly and through the emails that I get.
I think it is entirely appropriate to focus on your own spiritual life and growth. Why does the thought of that bother you?
Doxy, for one thing, because I tend to resist organization, and the way God seems to work in my life seems pretty disorganized, in that I don't know what's coming next. I know that God is always present, if only I remember to tune in. God's presence is physical. That may sound crazy, but I can tell you where the presence is situated in my body. It's just under my breastbone. If I can connect with that presence, then peace and love come.
I don't think that I have any negative ideas about God. Sometimes I rant at God, like the psalmists, but that's not because of God, but because of my being in a messy place.
That may sound crazy, but I can tell you where the presence is situated in my body. It's just under my breastbone. If I can connect with that presence, then peace and love come.
ReplyDeleteDoesn't sound crazy to me at all...
I don't think that I have any negative ideas about God.
I started spiritual direction about 3 years after I entered the Episcopal Church. I had to get rid of the image of God as an old, white man sitting up in the clouds with his thunderbolt, just waiting to strike me down.
Education for Ministry was (and is) really the most important thing I've ever done for myself spiritually speaking--but I think spiritual direction laid the groundwork for me to get the most benefit from EFM.
I don't know about Thibodaux, but the best spiritual directors in the New Orleans metro area, RCs and Episcopalians, are lay persons who have learned the discipline.
ReplyDeleteOrmonde, thanks. That's good information to know.
ReplyDeleteThanks all for the comments here. I learned a lot. Many people whom I respect recommend EfM.
You wouldn't want me for a spiritual director, Mimi; you'd want someone qualified for the job instead. Some of us -- trustworthy though we may be -- tend too much to the concrete.
ReplyDeleteI've had some good spiritual directors and I miss not having one now. It takes me a while to develop a trust relationship and with all my moving about, and having been in remote areas, it hasn't seemed possible. One of my CREDO goals is to be in direction again. I feel more grounded and accountable spiritually when I do have a spiritual director. There are some good lay people out there doing direction as well as clergy. Find out where they've been trained and how long the training took. I have a friend whose program took three years. The first year was all study, and not all of the students were asked to continue on for the next year. The spiritual director should be in spiritual direction. Hadn't planned on going on and on, but the info may be of some use.
ReplyDeletePaul (A.), I need concrete. I'm much too head-in-the-clouds.
ReplyDeleteAmelia, thanks for your input. All of the information here is new to me, since I have only a vague idea of what spiritual direction actually is. In my small community, I might have difficulty finding someone nearby.
Mimi,
ReplyDeleteYou need a spiritual director if you feel a need to change or grow your prayer life. A director is not necessarily a confessor albeit when they are clergy the two tend to blend.
You might also need to work on a personal rule of life and a good director will help you with that. If you have a rule, then maybe if you are asking this question, you need to revise or at least reconsider it.
What (in my experience at least) a spirtual director should do is guide you in your exploration of your prayer life. Lots of priests are not trained to do that. So one must be a bit selective.
HTH
FWIW
jimB
I asked the question not entirely seriously, but after reading the comments, I'm taking the idea much more seriously. Thanks for all your contributions to the discussion. I'll think and pray about spiritual direction and explore the idea a further.
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