Posted On : December 6, 2009 9:54 AM
ACNS:
The election of Mary Glasspool by the Diocese of Los Angeles as suffragan bishop elect raises very serious questions not just for the Episcopal Church and its place in the Anglican Communion, but for the Communion as a whole.
The process of selection however is only part complete. The election has to be confirmed, or could be rejected, by diocesan bishops and diocesan standing committees. That decision will have very important implications.
The bishops of the Communion have collectively acknowledged that a period of gracious restraint in respect of actions which are contrary to the mind of the Communion is necessary if our bonds of mutual affection are to hold.
The archbishop CAN move swiftly, when he chooses.
And what about Uganda? It appears that the archbishop is still in gracious restraint mode regarding a condemnation of the pending draconian anti-gay bill that is under consideration.
H/T to Counterlight.
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ReplyDeleteLapin, I deleted your comment, because I don't want links to SF on my blog. References are okay, but no links, please.
ReplyDeleteOK
ReplyDeleteWell, the little trash can has disappeared and, for now, I can't delete, but I'd prefer no links to that site.
ReplyDeleteThat better? The post, minus link, reads:
ReplyDeleteBoy, check Stand Firm's thread on this.
"Rowan - nobody gives a rat’s ass what you send out anymore. Stuff a sock in it."
Hot stuff from the known raving reactionaries. Extremes can meet.
These words from Canterbury are quite meaningless after the ABC stood by silently while the ACNA formed and the Global South and certain African provinces poached freely throughout North America.
ReplyDeleteNot to mention the directive to "listen" to GLBT Christians and respect their inherent "worth and dignity." Those were also agreements also made by "the bishops of the communion" to hold "our bonds of mutual affection" together.
That it came out so swiftly in contrast to the hideous silence over the pending GLBT genocide about to become law in Uganda removes all credibility from Rowan in my eyes. I have searched and failed to find Rowan's swift condemnation of the Ugandan priest that compared gays to cockroaches recently in a public funeral sermon. The cockroach reference has been used before to justify Rwandan genocide, if we care to recall.
We have become an Orwellian denomination now and some Christians, apparently, are more equal than others in the eyes of Canterbury.
Williams is not getting this one all his own way. Ruth Gledhill now reports that influential Anglicans spoke up in support of Canon Glasspool's election. Canon Giles Fraser, Chancellor of St Paul's and one of the founders of the liberal Inclusive Church network, said: "This is another nail in the coffin of Christian homophobia."
ReplyDeleteAs I said over at Paul's place, this is just depressing.
ReplyDeleteAnd, yes, Mimi. So quick. Amazing.
"Under Williams, the church that marries two women who love each other is to be thrown out of the Anglican Communion. The church that would jail them both for life, and would revile and persecute their defenders, stays snugly in his bosom. Not even the Archbishop's remarkable gift for obfuscation can conceal these facts forever." Andrew Brown - The Guardian.
ReplyDeleteI suspect the difference is that almost no matter what the ABC says the TEC will not initiate a break in communion with the CoE. The situation is different with the Church in Uganda. Perhaps he should let the prodigal go (though always be willing to accept her back) rather than surrender all principles to keep her in the house.
ReplyDeleteBrilliant quote, from Andrew Brown. The man has no credibility left.
ReplyDeleteAs I said over on MP...
ReplyDeleteThis pretentious prat should be made aware that Mary SHALL get those consents.
He should be careful what he threatens, or he'll soon be as irrelevant in the United States as he is in England.
Did you like the alliteration Mimi?
At 2.30 PM EST half a mile from my house, a 'bishop' of ACNA is going to ordain at least one person to the transitional diaconate; I think there are others, too. Nary a strong word about border crossing, poaching, conning vulnerable people in the name of Christ and, as the ACNA folks see it, the one and only Truth according to their Bible-- all we have gotten there is a tut, tut. I am spitting nails right now over this craziness... and pray that the junior house show some spine and not worry about their tea party eight years off.
ReplyDeleteLapin, that's fine. I'm about at the I-don't-give-a-rat's-ass point with Rowan, too.
ReplyDeleteWe have become an Orwellian denomination now....
Priscilla, indeed we have. Up is down, black is white. That's the way forward, as the ABC sees it. I'm not following that leader, and I pray that TEC does not either. He has enemies on all sides. His bashing some and appeasing others gains him no friends. He has chosen the dark side.
I love Giles Fraser, and I'm beginning to love Ruth Gledhill. The scales are falling from her eyes.
ReplyDeleteErp, you're right. TEC will not step out. We will need to be thrown out, and that's as it should be.
I haven't read Andrew Brown yet, but I will.
Wade, I love your alliteration. See my sidebar for "raving revisionist". Alliteration is in!
Caminante, the dissonance! I can't stand it! Teh gays acting up get Rowan off his duff in a hurry. Uppity gays and lesbians ENERGIZE him, but he goes off in the wrong direction, in his burst of energy.
ReplyDeleteI agree about Lambeth. It will be a great waste of time and money. Rowan and all his talk about "gracious restraint" makes me wild. When it comes to bashing TEC, where is HIS fecking "gracious restraint"?
Archbishop of Where?
ReplyDeleteDo I have to care what he says any more?
SCG, you do not have to care. I give you permission to stop caring.
ReplyDeleteThank you, Grandmere. I value your opinion much more than anything that fuzzy-faced Ewok has to say!
ReplyDeleteBut I LIKE Ewoks! They're cute, they fight like **** when they have to, and they know how to party!
ReplyDeleteAs for the occupant of the chair at Lambeth, I'm beginning to wonder what kind of tea he drinks in the morning. Somebody seems to have hooked his Earl Grey and substituted jimson weed.
Linda
Isn't there a long-standing tradition, going back to Henry VIII, of not caring what foreign prelates think? Just saying.
ReplyDeleteSCG and Desertcat, I'll leave you two to work out the Ewok thingy.
ReplyDeleteHow's this for an equation?
Fuzzy Face drinking tea laced with jimson weed = Rowan.
Paul, when will Rowan hit bottom in lack of esteem over here? Has anyone thought of taking a poll of Episcopalians on their opinion of the ABC. You know, rate him on a favorable/unfavorable scale of 1 to 5, or 1 to 10.
Re the scales falling from Ruth Gledhill's eyes, check the commentary she posted this morning.
ReplyDeleteThanks for posting that link, Lapinbizarre. I'm amazed. I guess the scales ARE falling from her eyes.
ReplyDeleteHowever, I wasn't sure how to interpret that last point she made.
Look Mimi, try and concentrate. I won't tell you this again.
ReplyDeleteThat white woman's sexuality is far more important than all those coloured folk in a far off place.
When will you learn?
I think, Ellie, that she learned at an early age in Basic Composition that every essay must have a conclusion, and so she wrote one. Any reasonable person would be hard-pressed to write a simple yet elegant conclusion at this stage in the game. For myself, I think that Williams has seriously overreached this time, particularly given the state of British public opinion, which is way in advance of the US, and light years ahead of Uganda where gay issues are concerned.
ReplyDeleteDP, I will never learn that shit. My brain resists.
ReplyDeleteRuth says:
The Archbishop of Canterbury has rarely been more impressive than in a speech he delivered in Rome just before his meeting with the Pope....
That may be true, but the speech was not all that impressive.
Lapin, I think you're right about Ruth's conclusion.