Saturday, July 10, 2010

PROTECT ME, PLEASE, FROM FEMALE MINISTRY!

From Riazat Butt at the Observer:

The Church of England was facing a fresh crisis tonight after the archbishops of Canterbury and York failed to win enough support for a compromise over women bishops at the Church's General Synod.

New concessions to traditionalists in the church, proposed by Rowan Williams and John Sentamu, were rejected by the Anglican clergy, although most bishops and laity at the Synod voted in favour. In dramatic scenes at York, shocked members of the Synod pleaded for time to pray and reflect on the vote and to consider the implications of the rebellion against the two most senior figures in the church.
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The archbishops' amendment would have given traditionalists the protection they wanted from female ministry, averting a schism over the ordination of women as bishops. (My emphasis) Sentamu and Williams had proposed a special class of bishop to look after parishes who do not wish to have female bishops. The idea angered supporters of women clergy, who wrote to ask the archbishops to withdraw the amendment.

Dear me, yes! The traditionalists need protection from female ministry. What are we, every single one of us, but black widow spiders gone wild devouring not just our mates, but any male in sight? We are beyond dangerous.

Had the amendment been passed, it might have minimised the numbers of clergy converting to Roman Catholicism under an initiative launched by the Vatican last year. A meeting was held in Leicester for those Church of England clergy interested in taking up the Catholic offer.

I doubt passing the amendment would have changed the numbers of those who will leave all that much. If traditionalists depart for Rome in great numbers, I'll be surprised. The Holy Orders of the clergy amongst them will be null and void, and that can't be a pleasant prospect.

The arrangements under which the dioceses would have operated, had the amendments passed, would have been a complicated tangle. And what if either of the two archbishops participated in the ordination of a woman bishop? They would be tainted by the process, and would not the whole line of episcopal succession in the Church of England be put to ruin?

My heart is with the women in the Church of England and their supporters. Even as I write about these matters from a distance, I feel the anger rise within me. I stand in solidarity with the women who have to hear the insulting crap over and over. And I stand in solidarity with LGTB persons who endure listening to the same insulting crap and worse from people who call themselves Christians. Tell me what any of these shenanigans have to do with the teachings of Our Lord Jesus Christ.

And I would not put it past the archbishops and their supporters to attempt another 11th hour scheme to have their way and possibly succeed. But, at the very least, the archbishops now know that they have lost the support of a good many bishops, priests and lay folk in their own church.

Thanks to Cathy for the link to the article.


UPDATE: And the wall erected around Ruth Gledhill's blog seems to have been breached as Thinking Anglicans posts her latest entry:

Canon Celia Thomson of Gloucester gave one of the best speeches illustrating the problems with what the Archbishops proposed:

‘This is the source of such sadness, such dismay among the ordained women at all stages of their ministry. The effect would be to legislate for the automatic transfer of episcopal authority in law in a way that would not only damage the authority of a woman bishop but also undermine the whole nature of episcopacy in the Church of England.’ She said the nominated bishops were ‘flying bishops’ by another name and that concept had not worked, in particular for women. It could also open up demands for alternative episcopal oversight in other areas where people did not agree with the diocesan bishop.

But even worse, it would send out a ‘damaging message’ about the Church to the wider world.

‘If the Church is seen to discriminate against women by law, not only will it compromise the ministry of women bishops in future and by default of all its women priests, but more fatally, the mission of the Church in the 21st century. Many people will de sair of the Church. Most people under 40 simply cannot understand it and so dismiss our beloved Church as irrelevant in our life and in attitudes towards the world.

Brava, Canon Thomson!

Ruth adds:

Synod is chastened right now. But it shouldn’t be. It should be celebrating.

Well done the clergy. There is a God, it seems.

Amen, and amen, and amen!

Thanks to Lapin in the comments.

27 comments:

  1. I wouldn't care if they went to Rome, Mimi. The trouble is that they won't actually move there, and expect to stay in the church buildings they now occupy. You know, like the bunch who left here for the Southern Cone, Kenya, Uganda and other places, but didn't!

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  2. I stand in solidarity with the women who have to hear the insulting crap over and over. And I stand in solidarity with LGTB persons who endure listening to the same insulting crap and worse from people who call themselves Christians.

    Exactly.

    Tell me what any of these shenanigans have to do with the teachings of Our Lord Jesus Christ

    Not very much.

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  3. I'll pack their bags for them. sooner the better. The tide turns. Financially the church could do with losing several hundred posts in quick succession.

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  4. Don't count your chickens before Synod is closed. There's going to be some heavy scheming and horse-trading going on between now and Monday.

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  5. I saw the Gledhill story credited to USA TODAY, but when I followed that link, there was only a summary, with another link to the full story. But the full story wasn't on the Times of London site, but on David Virtue's! Looks like he stole it from behind the paywall.

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  6. As I just now told Cathy of the CofE GS in an email, "I'm exhausted, drained. I don't know if I'll make it through the weekend." I think I'll need to rest before the meeting is over. Better yet, wake me when it's over.

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  7. Murdoch, I don't quote whole articles from sources without permission, and I did not want to link directly to the other blog, so I took a roundabout way and hoped folks would be able to follow.

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  8. Does anyone really believe that joining up with a unable-to-be-rigorously-honest pope is a smart step away from the ministry of honorable women at all levels of Anglicanlife?

    Sicker than imagined if these blokes scurry off looking for solace in the shambles of TRUTH covering blatant LIES!

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  9. I doubt misogynist Anglo-Catholicism would have much of a future with or without accommodation in the C of E. They'll all go to Rome (which is also facing an uncertain future), or they'll all eventually die out.
    It looks to me like the ones who really put their foot down and called the two archbishops' bluff were the underpaid and frequently exploited women clergy. I say good for them for telling the bishops where to stick their compromise.

    I wonder if Rowan will last the weekend. This looks like a big defeat and big "f**k off!" from his own troops.

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  10. Leonardo, at this point in time, I would not think it a wise move, but if that's what they want....

    Counterlight, the women in the CofE seem to be tiring of being exploited. As to the defeat, as Lapin says, we shouldn't count them out till the meetings are over. Still, even if the two archbishops win concessions, they can hardly claim victory.

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  11. "What are we, every single one of us, but black widow spiders gone wild..."

    Ooh, the snark!

    And this is important, really:

    "Tell me what any of these shenanigans have to do with the teachings of Our Lord Jesus Christ."

    This needs to be pointed out over and over and over.

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  12. Ellie, what IS it? Why are women seen as such a threat?

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  13. Anglican Mainstream has posted a statement explaining that "the problem the Archbishops were trying to address was trying to address [sic] was the problem of monoepiscopacy, the belief that only one bishop can have jurisdiction in one geographical area". Bi- or poly-episcopacy - the answer to the Gafconite/Jensenite dream. Keep a sharp eye out this one.

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  14. So then, monoepiscopacy is a problem to be solved.

    What would/could be the name of the English version of ACNA? Anglican Church of England? ACE? - the assumption being that the Church of England is no longer Anglican.

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  15. I'm sure that they will continue to call themselves the Church of England, just as many in the US who are not Anglicans, call themselves "Anglican".

    WV sends a message to Iran - dontston.

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  16. Biepiscopacy?

    Gay is bad, female is bad, but bi is good, apparently.

    If you were a bisexual bishop under a biepiscopacy wouldn't you just end up confused?

    If you were under a bisexual bishop under a biepiscopacy wouldn't you just end up even more confused?

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  17. Or should that be in a biepiscopacy?

    If you were in a ... oh, never mind.

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  18. Regarding the now failed vote ... I note that Canon Sugden is on record as saying, "We believe in freedom of conscience, in religious freedom..."

    To that I feel compelled to say ... Horse Hocky! Canon Sugden believes in religious freedom ... but sadly only for those who are in lockstep with his point of view.

    One need only give thought to the drive behind Sugden's desire to shut out of the Anglican Communion those Churches he considers to have a "liberal" point of view. He is NOT about freedom of conscience or religious choice ... one can be sure of that.

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  19. "We believe in freedom of conscience, in religious freedom..."

    Robert, of course Canon Sugden believes that! Just not in HIS Anglican Communion.

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  20. According to Simon Sarmiento's account at Thinking Anglicans, the "Women Bishops" measure has passed, apparently without a vote count. The proposal of Simon Killwick, an Anglo-Catholic priest, that the measure be sent back to committee for further revision, was defeated 102 to 293 (12 abstentions), and an amendment requiring 2/3 majorities for any future revision to the legislation passed by 287 to 78 (20 abstentions) even though the steering committee opposed the measure. Clearly, therefore, General Synod is firmly behind the legislation, notwithstanding the closeness of Saturday's vote.

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  21. And of course Jonathan Wynne Jones is at it again with these dramatic headlines. . .
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/7884316/Hundreds-of-traditionalist-clergy-poised-to-leave-Church-of-England.html

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  22. Susan, see my latest post. I was writing as you were writing.

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  23. Mimi ... I hear you. I sometimes think that Sugden's we pretends to be a royal We.

    Susan ... now don't forget the hyphen in his Jonathan's last name. I did when I last wrote his paper ... and oh, my. To quote my late grandmother's most often used line, "Lord Have Mercy" ... or better still ... as it was occasionally uttered, "Lordy-Mercy!"

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  24. Robert, either the royal "we" or Sugden assumes that he speaks for not just himself, which is true, more's the pity.

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  25. Oh Scott, thanks for your gentle correction! Lordy-Mercy, indeed!

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