During the forum at Saddleback Church this past Saturday, John McCain, who appeared second for questioning, was not supposed to have been able to hear the questions and answers during Obama's time. Below is a transcript of one section of McCain's appearance.
WARREN: Let's deal with abortion. I, as a pastor, have to deal with this all the time, every different angle, every different pain, all of the decisions and all of that. Forty million abortions since Roe v. Wade. Some people, people who believe that life begins at conception, believe that's a holocaust for many people. What point is a baby entitled to human rights?
MCCAIN: At the moment of conception. (APPLAUSE). I have a 25- year pro-life record in the Congress, in the Senate. And as president of the United States, I will be a pro-life president. And this presidency will have pro-life policies. That's my commitment. That's my commitment to you.
WARREN: OK, we don't have to beleaguer on that one. Define marriage.
MCCAIN: A union -- a union between man and woman, between one man and one woman. That's my definition of marriage.
Could I -- are we going to get back to the importance of Supreme Court Justices or should I mention --
WARREN: We will get to that.
MCCAIN: OK. All right. OK.
WARREN: You're jumping ahead...
Thanks to Paul (A) for the link to AmericaBlog. As John Aravosis says:
Yes he is. But the only way to jump ahead is to know what's ahead. Then again, John McCain was a POW, so how dare we suspect him of cheating. Oh that's right, he cheated on his wife. But I'm sure he wouldn't cheat on a debate question. Wife, sure. Debate question? For McCain, that would be immoral.
John McCain wants to get back to where he's never been. That seems right in character.
Funny, but I had heard about McCain's being able to hear the questions in advance.
ReplyDeleteThen last night I saw a clip of him answering the SCOTUS justice question. He rattled of the names of the non-conservative justices so fast I knew he'd been prepared ahead of time.
He's such an incredible piece of slime.
I am so sick of this campaign!
ReplyDeleteCan I just vote now and get this over with?
ReplyDeleteMissy, me too. Vote. Put it in the vault. Move on.
ReplyDeleteKnowing very little about this and given the fact that it wasn't really a debate, was it possible that both men had been given the questions in advance and had some thinking time? I of course do not like McCain and agree with mike that he is a slimeball.
ReplyDeleteI also just read somewhere today, the best description of his campaign managers as "caregivers." Needless to say, I was glad I wasn't drinking my morning coffee drink!
Yes, let's vote!
Susan, for all my blabbering away about it, I am no expert on the details of the forum, but my understanding is that neither candidate was to know what the questions were beforehand, nor was McCain to know what Obama's answers were.
ReplyDeleteCaregivers is about right, although I believe that McCain needs quite a bit more care than Obama.
I did not mean to imply that Obama would need caregivers. I am sure that the term was used for "Bomb, Bomb, Iran" McCain because of his age...
ReplyDeleteMcCain was predictable, Obama gave thoughtful answers. Ironically a Canadian woman who blogs things McCain was sincere and honest while Obama was contrived and shifty. She claims to be a liberal, but is clearly out of step with her country. McCain is a cameleon, ready to change on a dime to garner a vote. Sickening.
ReplyDeleteI don't have a vote, yet I am actually following and enjoying all these proceedings, from the beginning of the Primaries onwards. The reason - for what seems like the first time in ages people, young people in particular, are getting motivated by politics and getting involved at grass roots level. After a generation of apathy that's surely no bad thing?
ReplyDeleteI've thought about looking up the video, but I can't quite bring myself to do it, though I probably should. I'm so angry that conditions in the country make it necessary for the candidates to appear in a forum like that - at $500-$2000 a clip to attend, no less. I hope Rick Warren gives the money to charity.
ReplyDeleteAfeatheradrift, I'm sure that Obama's answers were more thoughtful and nuanced, but most of us in the US don't do nuance. McCain has spoken stupid and illogical words so often as to be incredible, but folks still like him, and he may yet win the election. He pays no attention to the truth, and he has taken the lowest road possible in his campaign style.
RR, our campaign season is way too long, and the candidates must jump through so many silly hoops on the way. The press focuses on trivia, like Obama vacationing in a "foreign" place like Hawaii and the fist bump. How many times did I see that replayed on TV? I couldn't think of the name of it, and Googled for "knuckle knock", and lo! I'm not the only one to think of that.
If you enjoy the season, then enjoy and don't let me spoil it for you. Maybe if I didn't have the vote, I'd enjoy it, too.
Can you tell that I'm not in a very good mood?
Bless you, Grandmere! May your mood lift in realising that, in this transient life, there are far more important things!
ReplyDeleteRR, bless YOU for being so kind after I was so cranky. You're a mensch.
ReplyDeleteI don't htink Obama is nuanced so much as just unsure of himself. He soesn't speak with confidence. I can do nuance, and with confidence in myself and my listeners. Obama doesn't have it.
ReplyDeleteNuance is Obama's cover for I don't know but if you were smarter you'd understand.
Let's face it, McCain rocked in this thing. However he did it. McCain had the money answers and if he's serious about winning Obama will get some.
COme back Denis Kucinich!
QUOTE FROM RICK WARREN REGARDING THE EVENT:
ReplyDeleteWARREN: "It was just a joke! It was just being silly, "the Cone of Silence." We knew that the moment he came, the Secret Service was with him the entire time, and then they put him immediately in the other building. So I wasn't even sure that he hadn't arrived by the time we were moving on stage. I knew probably ten minutes before the time that he wasn't there yet, but by the time he got on the stage I assumed he was there."
. . .but that probably won't matter to those who've already committed themselves to the messiuh
Lindy, I'm sorry I'm not smarter. I didn't watch the damn thing. The point of all of the posts on the forum is that this looong campaign is stupid. The forum idea in a big church was stupid. I doubt that I could think any performance by McCain would rock. I've seen and heard enough of him to know that I don't want him as my president. I know that you don't like Obama. He was hardly my first choice, In fact, Dennis was. But, as I've already said, whether McCain rocked or not in the forum, I'm scared shitless that he may be our president, for he may be far worse than Bush.
ReplyDelete. . .but that probably won't matter to those who've already committed themselves to the messiuh
ReplyDeleteAnonymous, you're right. It doesn't matter. Obama is not my messiah, not now, not ever. But I will vote for him.
Please, if you visit again, make up a name and sign your comment. I don't like anonymous comments. You don't need to register. Just pick a name and sign it at the end of your comment.
. . .so, in essence, you're saying that it's ok to trash McCain (without setting straight the record) just because you don't like him? Interesting. That's probably why the messi-uh will get some votes - charisma (sort of) over substance makes him the definitive candidate of postmodernity.
ReplyDeletePS - I will stop visiting because this is pointless. So, I decline the invitation to make up a name. Next time, disable "anonymous" in your blog settings.
Adios, Anonymous! I'm watching the videos now. I may have more trashing to do - then, again, I may not.
ReplyDeleteUh, actually I do know that I can disable anonymous comments, but I have friends who post as "Anonymous" and sign their names, and I don't want to screen them out by disallowing anonymous comments. See?
Mimi, don't you just love it when folks try to tell you how to run your blog? Sort of like that "If only you were perfect then I would never lose my temper." thing I used to hear from my husband(not in exactly those words, but you know what I mean). He's gotten better over the years. Some never do!
ReplyDeleteSusan, they can try. I need to put a note on my sidebar about anonymous comments.
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