Monday, November 24, 2008

Separate But Equal?

From Reuters:

CHICAGO (Reuters) - Conservatives who have abandoned the U.S. Episcopal Church by the thousands in recent years are trying to form a separate-but-equal church, a move that could leave two branches of Anglicanism on American soil.
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Minns, a former Episcopalian elevated to bishop by the Church of Nigeria and leader of the Convocation of Anglicans in North America, said the new province could count on 100,000 people as its average weekly attendance. The Episcopal Church says its average weekly attendance is about 727,000.


BabyBlue objects to the phrase "separate-but-equal" and calls it offensive. I left this comment at BB's post:

With respect to equality under the law, "separate but equal" does not seem workable, because it turns out that separate is never really equal. I agree that the phrase is loaded, but in reference to the divisions in [the] Episcopal Church and the Anglican Communion, I can't quite see wherein lies the offense. Will the use of the phrase somehow work to injure the cause of those who want to separate? I can't see how, but I'm open to having the matter explained.

And then, from the Episcopal Café:

An article by Michael Conlon for Reuters details the GAFCON backed plan to create an alternative or parallel Anglican province in the United States. The article has a number of quotes by Bishop Minns of Nigeria and claims that the Communion is likely to recognize his efforts to create this new structure. Unfortunately there seems to be a lack of actual balanced reporting in the article.

I noted that much of the information in the article seems to come from Martyn Minns, Missionary Bishop of CANA (Convocation of Anglicans in North America), one of the groups seeking to separate from the Episcopal Church, who is hardly unbiased.

In a comment to the post at the Episcopal Café, Fr. Terry Martin says:

It is also worth noting that the 100,000 number includes other groups, like the REC, who are not part of the Communion, and are not likely to become part of the Communion any time soon.

The intention seems to be to suggest that 100,000 of their claimed members were previously part of TEC, which is simply not true. We don't have that number, although I would guess that it is closer to a couple of thousand, at best.


Reporting on church affairs seems to be quite a challenge, unless the article is a straightforward news story. Nuance and background are vital to religion stories, especially those which involve conflict within and amongst churches

H/T to Thinking Anglicans.

UPDATE: In a similar vein, please read Tobias' post, "Reminder About the Communion" at In a Godward Direction:

As the Duncanian coalition of former Episcopalians and never-were Episcopalians coalesces or congeals into form in a few weeks, they appear to remain hopeful that whatever they are will be recognized as a new Province of the Anglican Communion.

This is unlikely, for two reasons.


Continued over there.

19 comments:

  1. A previous analysis of "the numbers" by Fr. Mark Harris on his blog suggests that around 2% or so of Episcopalians fall into Minns' category.

    ::shrug:: OK, so leave. It's a free country. Godspeed and all that... Just stop the whining and the attempts to steal Episcopal Church property.

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  2. David, the Armadillo, numbers - they is a game.

    Yes, go with God, but you can't take the stuff with you.

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  3. Fr. Martin is our dearly beloved Fr. Jake! He hits the nail on the head...

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  4. It seems that GAFCON presumes to replace Canterbury as the locus for Anglican identity.
    I remember when it was history that tied the world's Anglicans together.
    Now, I suppose it is to be a doctrinal confession.

    Or not.

    I still say that there will be 2 or 3 or more hostile parallel churches and 2 or 3 or more hostile parallel communions when all this is over, all claiming to be THE Anglican Church; just like the thousands of churches and denominations all claiming to be THE One True Church, and that all the others are the evil spawn of satan.

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  5. Counterlight, you are probably correct. I don't see reconciliation any time soon, and I'm beginning to care less and less about what we now call the Anglican Communion, or what's left of it. TEC can maintain relationships with other provinces with or without official inclusion in the Anglican Communion

    The Lutherans and the Baptists separated here in the US, and the world didn't come to an end. None of the churches or denominations have a corner on all the truths of Christianity. God is bigger than any one group.

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  6. Reporting on church affairs seems to be quite a challenge, unless the article is a straightforward news story. Nuance and background are vital to religion stories, especially those which involve conflict within and amongst churches.

    From my limited experience with news stories on someothing I actually was involved in, nuance and understanding is apparently the first things scrubbed out of reporters by journalism school, or editors, whoever gets there first.

    It's not accident that what passes for "nuance" in political reporting is mostly bitchy, gossipy stuff.

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  7. And now that I'm back in the UCC, you do understand that you are ALL the evil spawn of Satan, don't you?

    I've actually known a few denominations with that official doctrine, but mostly it's the domain of fringe elements. Oh, well, gotta keep my hand in wherever it might help me in the future, right?

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  8. I don't see much hope in the immediate future, but since the Methodists were able to reunite, I don't see why we won't eventually either. It just may take a few dozen years. Since my church is one of those "evil" inclusionists, I really don't care one way or another if someone wants to start another province: I won't be a part of it. After listening to the bickering for the last two years of being an Episcopalian, I am getting to the point where I just want to say, "Fine, take the buildings if you wish, just leave us in peace. Operative word being LEAVE". I feel almost like a kid watching Mom and Dad fight over house and custody. This is working into a NASTY divorce.

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  9. What struck me was that the average weekly attendance for TEC is not far from that of the Church of England (about 950,000). And yet we are always told that we are such a small part of the Anglican communion.

    The 100,000 figure is ludicrous at best, mendacious at worst.

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  10. Rmj, the UCC can't be all bad. You have Walter Bruggemann and Jeremiah Wright, and now, last, but not least, you back again. I could never retaliate and call you the "evil spawn of Satan".

    Hillbilly, I thought that in the beginning about the property, but as I found out that the separatists have been plotting to strip TEC of their assets for much longer than I knew, that fired me up on the side of not allowing them to do it. However, it may come to that in the end.

    John, it's astounding to me that the ABC has made so many statements that will come back to bite him in the ass. What is he thinking? Is he thinking?

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  11. Thanks, Mimi, for the link and your analysis here. I agree. And I am unanimous in that.

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  12. Okay, I'll relent. Maybe you aren't all evil spawn.

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  13. TEC: the good spawn welcomes you! ;-/

    [I'd welcome you back, Rmj . . . but why don't you bring all your fellow Congregationalists w/ you? My 5c defense of the institution of the episcopacy: "Better the Devil You Know"! ;-D]

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  14. And, into how many factions will this bizarre construct of Minns' split and how soon? Quite a few, and very soon.

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  15. And I am unanimous in that.

    Tobias, all three of you agree with me?

    SusanKay, "Soon and very soon...."

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  16. So that's who those people were who arrived at my Church singing the Prokeimenon in an off-key Tone. To tell the truth, my Catholic friends have also been telling me that their church was a little crowded lately, "Hail Mary" also being sung in an off-key Tone. do you think that it's a Fad, or are thoes Episcopaleans here to stay?

    Vladimir Groszney

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  17. do you think that it's a Fad, or are thoes Episcopaleans here to stay?

    Vlad, I don't know. You'd have to ask them.

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  18. do you think that it's a Fad, or are thoes Episcopaleans here to stay?

    I suspect that they will remain loyal, right up until the hierarchy does something they don't like. What you've got there is basically congregationalists - Baptists, really - who like a lot of show in their worship.

    You might direct them to the Antiochian Orthodox churches, which have largely come under the control of disaffected former-Episcopalians who left vowing to decimate our numbers decades ago.

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