Faith is now quite uncertain. I'm no longer acting-as-if.
Thursday, September 1, 2011
DISCIPLINE
Doug has very kindly been searching for the Episcopal Church take off on the New Yorker cover pictured here. He did not find what he was looking for, but he found the image below. Click on the picture for the larger view.
Funny! I'm always amazed that words mean different things to different peoples(and I do think the English are a different people). How else would they have decided that a 'report' with recommendations would really be a set of rules, and that a meeting at Lambeth would have held sway over the lives of so many people? I met the Vicar of All Saints in Lambeth after the 1998 Lambeth Conference(he liked to say he was the ABC's Vicar. He has since died in a scuba diving accident). He was very firm in his understanding that the Lambeth conference was not set up to make "pronouncements," only suggestions. I guess some Englishmen actually knew that suggestions need not be followed. . .
If I may, I think the image is from a homophobic segment of the Communion. ["If she does this again": if ++KJS consecrates another LGBT bishop?]
When +Mary Glasspool was consecrated, ++KJS/TEC didn't receive "another carefully worded suggestion". Instead, TEC's reps were booted from Anglican committees. No, not the harshest punishment by, say, Inquisition standards...but a PUNISHMENT all the same---NOT a "suggestion"!
susan s., Bishop Martin Barahona, the retired Primate of Central America, speaks my sentiments:
“The Windsor Report,” he said. “It’s just a report. When did it become like The Bible. The Covenant. Why do we need another covenant? We have the Baptismal Covenant. We have the creeds. What else do we need?”
The vicar was right. As I understand it, Lambeth is neither a legislative nor executive power. Suggestions is about as far as the body's power extended. It certainly had no right, nor did the Primates Meeting have the right to declare binding open-ended moratoria.
JCF, I do not read the caption as you do, but either way, Rowan is portrayed as weak. True, he exercised his power of appointment, but what did he gain by that in the end?
A question: what is that flat thingy in front of ++KJS? I mean --what occurs to me is that he gets the long pokey microphone, and she gets a flat triangular one.... surely that can't be right?!!!
They shared the microphone back and forth, Margaret. I think the flat triangular thingy is her transporter. If he got too rambunctious she could just press it, say something like "Engage" or "Make it so!" and he would be instantly transported back to England. Of course KJS is much to much civilized to use it.
Funny! I'm always amazed that words mean different things to different peoples(and I do think the English are a different people). How else would they have decided that a 'report' with recommendations would really be a set of rules, and that a meeting at Lambeth would have held sway over the lives of so many people? I met the Vicar of All Saints in Lambeth after the 1998 Lambeth Conference(he liked to say he was the ABC's Vicar. He has since died in a scuba diving accident). He was very firm in his understanding that the Lambeth conference was not set up to make "pronouncements," only suggestions. I guess some Englishmen actually knew that suggestions need not be followed. . .
ReplyDeleteIf I may, I think the image is from a homophobic segment of the Communion. ["If she does this again": if ++KJS consecrates another LGBT bishop?]
ReplyDeleteWhen +Mary Glasspool was consecrated, ++KJS/TEC didn't receive "another carefully worded suggestion". Instead, TEC's reps were booted from Anglican committees. No, not the harshest punishment by, say, Inquisition standards...but a PUNISHMENT all the same---NOT a "suggestion"!
susan s., Bishop Martin Barahona, the retired Primate of Central America, speaks my sentiments:
ReplyDelete“The Windsor Report,” he said. “It’s just a report. When did it become like The Bible. The Covenant. Why do we need another covenant? We have the Baptismal Covenant. We have the creeds. What else do we need?”
The vicar was right. As I understand it, Lambeth is neither a legislative nor executive power. Suggestions is about as far as the body's power extended. It certainly had no right, nor did the Primates Meeting have the right to declare binding open-ended moratoria.
JCF, I do not read the caption as you do, but either way, Rowan is portrayed as weak. True, he exercised his power of appointment, but what did he gain by that in the end?
The Church of Sweden, which is a member of the Poorvoo Communion, along with the Church of England, consecrated a lesbian bishop.
ReplyDeleteKJS was not allowed to wear her mitre in England, and look how that backfired and made Rowan look petty. The world is passing him by.
One of these days, I hope the Episcopal Church stops paying for meetings in which its members are not allowed to fully participate.
hilarious
ReplyDeleteA question: what is that flat thingy in front of ++KJS? I mean --what occurs to me is that he gets the long pokey microphone, and she gets a flat triangular one.... surely that can't be right?!!!
ReplyDeleteThey shared the microphone back and forth, Margaret. I think the flat triangular thingy is her transporter. If he got too rambunctious she could just press it, say something like "Engage" or "Make it so!" and he would be instantly transported back to England. Of course KJS is much to much civilized to use it.
ReplyDeleteA recording device? Getting us back down to earth. :-)
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