Photo of Bishop Gene Robinson and his parents, Imogene and Victor Robinson, from the Dallas Morning News.
Tobias Haller at In a Godward Direction is doing a series of posts on human sexuality titled "True Union". I've been reading them and, on occasion, leaving a comment. I hope that Tobias finds a way to collect this series of posts in a pamphlet or booklet or, at the very least, that he will gather them together with links on his home page. Here are the links to those he has written so far: True Union (1), True Union (2), and True Union (3)
I left comments to a couple of the posts which include these words - and I am aware that quoting oneself has an air of desperation about it - nevertheless....
Grandmère Mimi said...
And I keep coming back to my perception of a God who loves us infinitely, who delights in us. Why would that God create persons drawn to love and desire those of the same sex and then deny them fulfillment of those very desires that he created them with?
And no, I don't want to hear about pedophilia, and rape, and incest, because those actions cause harm to others. Desires which cause harm to others are, of course, to be suppressed....
September 24, 2007 10:17 AM
And this:
Grandmère Mimi said...
We women have suffered long enough from the writings of Aristotle and Aquinas, with their tossing around of the word defective, however near to innocuous the term is defined by....
Contemporaries of mine who attended Roman Catholic seminaries were taught that women were "occasions of sin". No wonder some of the priests acted strangely in encounters with women. Not all RC priests took this nonsense to heart, but enough of them did that we felt the sting.
Your [Tobias'] mention of the Incarnation is vital to the discussion, because the man, as biological father, is totally out of the picture - not necessary - absent from the scene.
....
October 09, 2007 4:36 PM
And this:
Grandmère Mimi said...
....,I'm sorry, my friend, but what comes to mind is, "There is none so blind as they that won’t see."
If you can't see that your own church and, to a large extent, most Christians denominations are as yet riddled with gynephobia as well as homophobia, then I don't think I can help you see. The churches have come a way, but they have a long way to go.
You say:
"In marriage God unites them in such a way that, by forming 'one flesh', they can transmit human life: 'Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth.'"
I'm an old lady. I can no longer transmit biological life. Am I no longer one flesh with my husband of 46 years, because I can't produce a baby?
OK, that's my last feminist word on the subject. I see my words and ....'s words as not so very much off topic, as I think the prejudice against women and the prejudice against gays and lesbians are interconnected, and both are rooted in unreasonable fear.
October 11, 2007 10:29 AM
From an article in the Dallas Morning News on Gene Robinson, which I thought was quite well done, mainly because the interviewer let Bishop Robinson speak:
"I take the long view of history," he says. "The debate will end with full inclusion of GLTB people in the life and ministry of the Church. We're really only arguing about timing."
Bishop Robinson is right, but LGTB folks are getting impatient, and rightly so.
Asked about homophobia, Robinson is more philosophical than religious.
"Homophobia is aimed more at gay men than lesbians, "he says. "It's because of an internalized misogyny and the demise of patriarchy."
Misogyny, he explains is a form of prejudice wherein the male is considered superior to the female. "For the misogynist, the greatest affront to being male is to allow someone to treat you like a female. That's why same-sex couples are often asked which one is 'the man' and which one is 'the woman' in the relationship."
In terms of the Bible and religion, Robinson explains, from the time Eve gave Adam the forbidden fruit to Paul's insistence on female subjection, women have been considered subservient to men.
It seems that my thinking is not far off the mark from Bishop Robinson's own thinking.
I like his final words:
"We're trying to figure out what the truth is," he says. "When enough of us figure out that God's table and God's church are open equally to all people, we'll act on that and deal as pastorally as we can with those who don't see it that way."
I'm not sure if lesbians agree that homophobia is aimed more at gay men than lesbians, but from listening to men and women talk, I find that they are much more put off by the idea of same-sexuality between two men than between two women.
Gene Robinson and Tobias Haller have studied and pondered these issues far beyond my capacity, yet, by the grace of God we arrive at something resembling a similar conclusion. Thanks be to God.
Thanks to Jim (the Spin) Naughton at the Episcopal Café for calling my attention to the article.