Introducing same-sex marriage could lead to the church being forced out of its role of conducting weddings on behalf of the state, the church claimed in a potentially explosive submission in response to the government's consultation on gay marriage, which closes on Thursday.To get the churches out of the marriage business altogether sounds like a good idea rather than an explosion to me. France does it rather well, with the religious ceremony of blessing (if desired) following the legal marriage in the registry office. But I digress.
I'll let the English speak.
Giles Fraser is "spitting blood".
The Church of England says it is against gay marriage. Not in my name
I am furious about this ridiculous and unrepresentative statement from the Church of England on gay marriage
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The church is no more a cartel of moral wisdom. And those of us who still stick with it – though there are days like today when this is increasingly hard – do so in the hope that it can be called back to a deeper moral seriousness that is not in hoc to bourgeois notions of respectability and prejudice.
Read the entire opinion piece. As you see, Giles does not mince words.
Colin Coward is upset (to say the least!).
I woke this morning to the R4 Today programme’s news headlines about the Church of England’s response to the Government’s equal marriage consultation. I felt so angry. The Church has achieved another set of disastrous headlines thanks to its ill-considered submission. The Church looks like an institution in panic and crisis, terrified that the lesbian and gay hordes are about to breach the defences and destroy marriage in one decisive strategic move.As you may or may not know the Danish Parliament recently approved same-sex marriages in churches in Denmark.
Layanglicana says, "Bring on the Vikings!"
I know the first Viking invasion gave them rather a bad name (for raping, looting and pillaging, not to put too fine a point on it).There you have it - the word from England.
But that was after they had been cooped up for weeks in a long boat. The 21st century version would, I am sure, choose Easy Jet, and be only slightly irritable as a result. A pint or two of lager and half a roasted sheep ought to mollify them sufficiently to be able to deal with the powers that be at Lambeth. And after all we don’t want them too amenable, the whole idea is to let them show who is boss.
As a humble former colonial, I have a nerve to even think of offering an opinion, much less post on the matter on my wee blog, but here goes. What in heaven's name does the 13 page document sent to the English Parliament have to do with the Gospel imperative of The Two Great Commandments to love God and love our neighbor and the Golden Rule to do as we would be done to? Archbishops and senior bishops of the Church of England, answer me that.
UPDATE: Another voice from England - Erika in the comments...
Hear, hear!the real disaster is what the publication has said to the members of the CoE itself.
- a small group of us claims the right to make public pronouncements on your behalf.
- we do not have to stick to the truth if it doesn't suit us. You may remember that we strongly opposed civil partnerships, but we will now launch a PR campaign trying to make those who don't remember this believe that we actually love gay people in a very cuddly way.
- we believe that everyone in this land should be bound by our definition of marriage, all the 98% of people who don't go to church but who are included in our elevated idea of ourselves as ministering to everyone in our parishes. And so we reserve the right to define marriage for all other faiths too and for all agnostics and atheists.
- we do not need to make the slightest warm pastoral noise about caring about the spiritual wellbeing of gay people. We can just casually dismiss their relationships as friendships without content. If we really believed that God creates them like this but that for some reason, baby Jesus cries if they hitch up, we would be full of sympathy and we would try what we could to make their God imposed loneliness more bearable. But, actually, we don't give a stuff as long as they don't threaten our order of things and keep quiet in their sinful moral morass.
THAT is what this document is saying and it's saying it to its own members.
Which is why I, for one, have had enough and have now left the church. I shall watch it with mild interest from the sidelines to see if it ever joins civilised society again.